I vote PER on Resolution 2020-01

RESOLUTION 2020-01

Based on the advice of both the current and former Secretaries of State I propose the resolution below amending our provincial constitution at Article III, Section 5 (The Government, Composition of the House of Shepherds)

This amendment is necessitated by the reticence of The Chancery to complete the additional administrative tasks after the completion of voting as is currently mandated by the Constitution.

Article III, Section 5 currently reads:

QuoteSection 5. Composition of the House of Shepherds.

Whichever authority shall have conducted a provincial election for the whole House of Shepherds, either the Chancery of Talossa or the Constable of Florencia, shall publicly and at the same time, but not later than the tenth day following the certification of the same election:

   (a) Determine and fix the total number of seats for the new term of the Shepherds, which number shall be equal to the number of ballots returned in the election, less those returned and indicating "Present", plus one additional seat for each incumbent Senator for Florencia, plus one additional seat for the Governor;

   (b) Apportion among those political parties, which have received votes in the election, their respective proportional share of the number of remaining seats with respect to their electoral performance, after the assignments to the Senators and Governor; and

   (c) Fix the date for the commencement of the session of the new Nimlet, to be not later than the thirtieth day following the aforesaid certification.

Before or at the commencement of the session of a new Nimlet, and again at any time during the same session, the commonly recognized and known leader of a political party which be entitled to any number of seats in the House of Shepherds shall assign the same in any whole number without personal limit, but only to bona fide citizens of Florencia who remain qualified residents thereof; and such assignments shall be made publicly, given to the Governor of Florencia, and maintained in good faith by him.

Those seats which remain unassigned by a political party shall remain vacant until such assignment be made and received by the Governor.

Those changes by party leaders in the seating assignments, which have been effectuated during a pending resolution of the Shepherds, shall have no effect on the matter; and those votes yet made or already made may be altered before a deadline only by those persons who have held the same seats originally.

If there be a ripe and unmoot controversy with regard to the actual assignment of seats of the Shepherds, the same shall be adjudicated in first instance by the Constable alone; and if a party to it be unsatisfied, an appeal may be made directly to the Uppermost Cort of Talossa, provided that the remedy of the Constable remain in effect until or unless the said court render a judgement.

Be it resolved that Article III, Section 5 is amended to read as follows (changes in bold):

QuoteSection 5. Composition of the House of Shepherds.

No later than the tenth calendar day following the certification of the election, the Governor of Florencia, or in the absence of an incumbent Governor, the Constable of Florencia, shall:

   (a) Determine and fix the total number of seats for the new term of the House of Shepherds, which number shall be equal to the number of ballots returned in the election, less those returned and indicating "Present", plus one additional seat for the incumbent Senator for Florencia and for the Governor of Florencia;

   (b) Apportion among those political parties, which have received votes in the election, their respective proportional share of the number of remaining seats based on their electoral performance, after the assignments to the Senators and Governor; and

   (c) Fix the date for the commencement of the session of the new Nimlet, to be not later than the thirtieth day following the aforesaid certification.

Before or at the commencement of the session of a new Nimlet, and again at any time during the same session, the commonly recognized and known leader of a political party which be entitled to any number of seats in the House of Shepherds shall assign the same in any whole number without personal limit, but only to bona fide citizens of Florencia who remain qualified residents thereof; and such assignments shall be made publicly, given to the Governor of Florencia, and maintained in good faith.

Those seats which remain unassigned by a political party shall remain vacant until such assignment be made and received by the Governor.

Those changes by party leaders in the seating assignments, which have been effectuated during a pending resolution of the House of Shepherds, shall have no effect on the matter; and those votes yet made or already made may be altered before a deadline only by those persons who have held the same seats originally.

If there be a ripe controversy with regard to the actual assignment of seats of the House of Shepherds, the controversy shall be adjudicated in the first instance by the Governor alone; and if a party to it be unsatisfied, an appeal may be made directly to the Uppermost Cort of Talossa, provided that the remedy of the Governor remain in effect until or unless the said court render a judgement.

Voting will close at 9:00AM TST on September 15th, 2020.

Submitted by Breneir Itravilatx, Governor of Florencia; Member-House of Shepherds

With thanks to the new Secretary of State all appointments to Nimlet seats have been completed.

It is my pleasure to announce the commencement of our latest session, on this 1st day of September 2020, of Florencia's provincial legislature, the Nimlet.

Pastours, are there any motions members would like to bring forward for consideration?

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on August 24, 2020, 12:21:14 PM

Quote from: Breneir Itravilatx on August 24, 2020, 12:17:41 PM

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on August 24, 2020, 09:45:28 AM
Has S:reu Yasir met the requirements currently outlined in law or not? I cannot grant him citizenship unless he has and I will need some form of proof please.

Thanks,
Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă,
Secretary of State

This is my question too now.

Under current law, citizenship petitions must specify the non-Wittenberg medium on which the petitioner has communicated with the prospective.

Thank you. I was not aware of the requirement between the petitioner and the petitioned as a part of the Witt Is Not Talossa Act. I will withdraw the petition as S:reu Yasir has not contacted me unfortunately.

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on August 24, 2020, 09:45:28 AM
Has S:reu Yasir met the requirements currently outlined in law or not? I cannot grant him citizenship unless he has and I will need some form of proof please.

Thanks,
Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă,
Secretary of State

This is my question too now.

Quote from: Eðo Grischun on August 23, 2020, 11:44:17 PM
Could the LCC leadership please suggest how we make all existing citizens aware of the requirements of the Talossa is not Wittenberg Act?

You lay the blame at my feet, yet I have no idea how I could have let Bren here, your own party member, know that this petition cannot be made yet.

Sorry guys, it was not my intent to step into the middle of an apparent debate over the Witt Is Not Talossa Act. Nor was I a part of any blame-laying.
I saw that Dr. Txec, the current SoS had inquired about the petition, noted it had not been made, and moved to make it. I assumed that all requirements had been met based on the SoS's inquiry and the subject tagline which said "Eligible for Petition."

If the petition is premature, let me know, and I can withdraw it.

Breneir (not Bren)

WHEREAS it has been more than a fortnight since Muhammed Yasir first posted on Wittenberg, following his introduction to the citizens of the Kingdom by officers of the Interior Ministry, and

WHEREAS the said Muhammed Yasir has in that time demonstrated an active and genuine interest in Talossan life, culture, and language, and

WHEREAS the said Muhammed Yasir desires citizenship in the Kingdom of Talossa, and

WHEREAS by all indications it appears that Muhammed Yasir would be a loyal and dedicated citizen, and a credit to this nation if he obtains the grant of citizenship he requests,


THEREFORE I, Breneir Itravilatx, a citizen in good standing of the Glorious Province of Florencia and of the Kingdom of Talossa, do by these presents petition the Secretary of State to issue a grant of citizenship to Muhammed Yasir, as specified by law.


Petition submitted today, the 23rd day of August, 2020/XLI.

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on August 15, 2020, 02:54:10 PM
As per your constitutional requirements, be it so ordered:

7 seats be allocated to the LCC
1 seat be allocated to the FreeDems.

The Nimlet shall commence on September 1, 2020.

The Chancery strongly requests a change in Florencia's constitution so they can allocate their own seats in the future.


Dr. Txec dal Nordselva
Secretary of State

Party leaders, you will need to designate who will take the seats allocated by the SoS.
@Ian Plätschisch
@Miestră Schivă, UrN

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on August 15, 2020, 12:42:56 PM
Assuming the Nimlet gets 10 seats (minus two for Governor and Senator) that would mean the LCC gets 7 seats and the FreeDems get 1 seat. Let me know if you agree with this calculation.

I think the 10 seat total is correct, Dr. dal Nordselva. As are the party seat totals.

Breneir

@Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM

Congratulations on your appointment as the new Secretary of State.
Now that the election results have been certified by the Electoral Commission it appears you and The Chancery are designated under Florencia's provincial constitution as the procedural administrator of activities pre-commencement of the Nimlet.

Here is the relevant language under the new constitution:

Section 5. Composition of the House of Shepherds.

Whichever authority shall have conducted a provincial election for the whole House of Shepherds, either the Chancery of Talossa or the Constable of Florencia, shall publicly and at the same time, but not later than the tenth day following the certification of the same election:

   (a) Determine and fix the total number of seats for the new term of the Shepherds, which number shall be equal to the number of ballots returned in the election, less those returned and indicating "Present", plus one additional seat for each incumbent Senator for Florencia, plus one additional seat for the Governor;

   (b) Apportion among those political parties, which have received votes in the election, their respective proportional share of the number of remaining seats with respect to their electoral performance, after the assignments to the Senators and Governor; and

   (c) Fix the date for the commencement of the session of the new Nimlet, to be not later than the thirtieth day following the aforesaid certification.

As Governor of Florencia, please advise me if you should need my assistance.

Breneir

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 05, 2020, 09:39:03 PM
I'm partial to an electoral college of the Ziu and the provincial governments, followed by 2/3 ratification in referendum (if the Monarch is going to continue to have significant political powers; otherwise, the referendum might be skipped)

I like the electoral college of the Ziu and provincial governments as well. I think this is similar to the way the German president is elected by the Bundestag and an equal number of members of the state parliaments.

Caption contest submission:

"It was then, too late perhaps, that the good doctor realized she preferred red onions..."

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 03, 2020, 12:15:57 AM
BE IT ENACTED etc. etc. that the following subsection be added to section H.11 of El Lexhatx:

QuoteThe Ziu may, by a 2/3 majority in each chamber, elect a Clerk of Legislation, to be known as El Xhenistà, who will proofread and suggest revisions to all bills to be Clarked, and may request the Secretary of State to exercise their powers under this sub-section to withdraw any bill from the Clark.

This is adorable.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 03, 2020, 12:04:37 AM

Quote from: Breneir Itravilatx on August 02, 2020, 11:58:24 PM
I love getting name-checked after hitting a nerve.

I think you're letting your 87.5% majority go to your head there, bro

Epic comeback. The use of the word "bro" in connection with my use of it (twice!) In the Florencia boards is a nice twist. Exquisite. :-)

I am chastened. 

Quote from: Açafat del Val on August 02, 2020, 08:25:15 PM

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on August 02, 2020, 08:14:59 PM
The LCC is still in very early days and just spent the entire election providing alternative proposals to the Free Democrats. I can assure you there will be no shortage of LCC participation in the coming months.

Respectfully: (a) I look forward to this participation, but (b) if Davinescu does not partake in this participate then he should be silent.

He can participate without or under the color of the LCC - his choice - but the principle remains. For that matter, it applies to other LCC members (such as the incumbent Governor of Florencia).

Ian, it is unacceptable to attack (even implicitly) a provincial Constitution which even Breneir critiqued and tweaked in concert with me. That's call intellectual dishonesty. I am well aware that this particular subject is well outside the bounds of this specific topic, but I bring it up to make a wider point: if the LCC is going to commence its opposition by slinging poo and arguing in bad faith, then it's a pretty poor opposition.

Attacking the FreeDems (and, conversely, attacking the LCC or NPW) is not how we rebuild or improve Talossa.

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on August 02, 2020, 08:20:41 PM

Quote from: Açafat del Val on August 02, 2020, 07:59:00 PM
Operative word: these criticisms, not all criticisms. It's not my fault that you extrapolated past the plain language.

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;D ;)

I love getting name-checked after hitting a nerve in another section of our forum. None of this rises above a (continuing) fit of pique but it is amusing to watch.