It's just that AD seems to be complaining about the Immigration form at the same time he is voting against an actual Government proposal to simplify that form.

Estimat Tuischac'h, my Ministry has authorised the release of $US75 to Baron A. Davinescù for the provision of three more Teach Yourself Talossan lessons.

@þerxh Sant-Enogat , is the Baron speaking for your party with this new manifesto he seems to have worked out?

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 02, 2025, 06:08:10 PMI would be open to that. The trick will be defining it in a way that doesn't threaten civil liberties.

Perhaps the model should be El Lexh A.7.2.4., the existing Contempt of Court provisions? Witt moderators are the analogy of peace officers.

BTW, you guys may be amused to learn that an ¡Avant! legislator who's a less regular Witt follower asked me what in blazes "this word salad" was supposed to mean, referring to 61RZ17 :D

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 01, 2025, 10:50:28 PMPerhaps the fourth offense should be criminalized somehow?

My first impulse would be to create an offence of "disturbing the peace", which would - among other things - include wilful disregard of Wittiquette and defiance of Witt moderators

I would just like to tag on here a reminder that this isn't over, not by a long shot. While we are rightfully prioritizing the issue of sexual harassment, Brenéir has most recently bullied the Túischac'h of the Cosa into taking an extended leave of absence. We're not through with Toxicity and Destructiveness unless we address it as a political phenomenon as well as a personal one.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on June 30, 2025, 05:34:29 PMI'm not sure what precedent looks like here

The precedent to this point has *always* been "2 members of the CRL read and offer their comments" is enough for passing the CRL. You can ask your predecessor in this role about that.

Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 30, 2025, 08:34:58 AMThen I see our leadership attempt to impose the very same things. Essays and tests to prove you will be "useful" citizens.

The bill which I just proposed to the Ziu *removes* the need for a new citizen to write an essay. The Baron has sworn to *oppose* that bill, to require every citizen to keep writing an essay, no matter if it's ChatGPT. You might want to ask him why he's doing that.

The problem comes when people use rhetoric which says one thing as an excuse for action to do the opposite.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on June 30, 2025, 02:27:51 AM

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on June 28, 2025, 05:38:39 PMPlease to be Clarking:

the Terpleziuns Reform Bill
the Immigration Reform (Antispam) Bill

It doesn't seem like either bill has currently passed the CRL; you're probably aware of this but just making sure.

Edit: the first bill has now passed the CRL and has been added to the queue (https://database.talossa.com/ziu/bills/unclarked)

Both bills have been commented on by 2 members of the CRL, what's the problem?

I just realised that this debate is happening on your Party's forum. Sorry, I didn't realise, I usually wouldn't go into someone's house and tell them they're talking nonsense. I'm going to respond, but feel free to tell me to move it elsewhere if it's not appropriate.

But the central point remains: you know perfectly well, though you are using rhetorical trickery to bury it, that Talossa is getting more than enough citizenship applications. If we acknowledge that Government policy is currently suceeding in this regard, the next question is twofold:

- how to turn applicants into citizens?
- how to attract good quality applicants, who are actually interested in becoming active citizens?

It's clear that you actually understand the real problem, in that you're talking about reaching out to specific communities who might be interested in participating Talossan life. You give the example of heraldry nerds. So you agree that there are a specific *kind* of person we should be looking for. Fine. The Government has its own ideas on that regard. Opening the Landing Pier to broad micronational society is part of that.

The Government's interest in putting an end to spam applications which use ChatGPT essays is entirely of a piece with that. Face facts - no-one, not never who has produced an essay written with ChatGPT or whatever has ever gone on to successfully become a citizen. Not one. Because use of ChatGPT shows that they're not really interested in becoming part of our Talossan community. You really seem to think that we should let all kinds of spam entries through because spammers might decide to become citizens after participating. I disagree.

Nothing the Government has done has made it harder to make an immigration application, you just made that up

BTW, can I have some indication from the Progressive Alliance's actual leader, @þerxh Sant-Enogat , that this really is the policy perspective of his party?

Please to be Clarking:

the Terpleziuns Reform Bill
the Immigration Reform (Antispam) Bill

See, I'm not the one who should be embarassed, because you know there is no magic lever that the Government could pull to turn more prospectives into citizens. To hope that you can win an election by making people believe there is, and you're going to pull it, is pretty dishonest.

@Baron Alexandreu Davinescu @Dr. Pôl dal Nordselvă @þerxh Sant-Enogat for your attention