Yeah. The thing about the PA is that, well, parties in that tradition get mean around election time. But they're actually patriotic and committed, even though I find their vision of Talossa a bit creepy. And if the alternatives are sex pests and back-to-the-Byzantine-Empire types, and barring someone getting a near-absolute majority, there's not really much of an alternative.

Q. What do you call a Talossan politician who makes a habit of telling inflammatory falsehoods about his political opposition; recruits inactive citizens on the basis of those falsehoods; and then when this upsets people, lectures his opponents about "angry fights" and "the politics of hatred"?

A. If there's not a big turnaround in the election, you'll call him Seneschal.

Baron Davinescu keeps doing this because it works politically. If you wrap serious accusations of corruption and criminality in polite language, then you look like the good guy when your opponents get mad (for those who weren't paying attention). Ironic, because he recognizes the routine of victim-blaming ("my behaviour is not the problem, but your reaction is") when the Sex Pest party leader does it.

Anyway, ere are some historical memes of previous elections where Baron Davinescu he did exactly the same thing; found these when looking for something else.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 09:54:22 PMWe're not pledging that we feel honor-bound to work with literally everyone about literally everything

I'm taking this as an indication that Mic'haglh's intervention has brought about some necessary political clarification, so thank you.

More political points have been moved elsewhere to respect the sanctity of this Joint Statement, which must be held to.

I'll pass with a brief snort over the PA leader complaining about "dishonesty" and "creativity with the truth".

So are we confirming that "work with anyone" means anyone except the Sex Pest? The problem is that, as the Baron previously argued in his arguments against party lists, when Talossans vote for a party they are really voting for a leader. Do people who've associated themselves with the Green Party have to disassociate themselves from the Sex Pest to be candidates for cooperation?

Anyone remember this classic meme from three elections back?



It seems we're doing it again. The voters for the party associated with Talossa's infamous sex pest - never seen outside of election time! - are literally copy-pasting their votes.

The public ballot encourages this "Attack of the Clones" stuff, which degrades democracy. But the conservative tradition in Talossa has never really rated democracy so highly. They like things like the public ballot - and oppose things like party lists - because it's easier and more "fun" to take short-cuts around rigorous democratic practice.

Remember - before the ancestors of the URL came into the Kingdom and established democratic reforms like the secret ballot and the party list - these people ran Talossa for nine terms of absolute majority government, because these anti-democratic features favour the incumbent. They yearn to get back to those days.

We've got two parties coming out of the RUMP tradition that democracy doesn't matter because it's not "quirky and fun" enough; one anarchist party; and one absolute monarchist party. The URL are the only party in this election which rigorously supports democracy.

If I have seats in the next Ziu, I will campaign vigorously for universal secret ballot. We probably even need to bring back discussion of the Real Cosa and the unicameral Ziu again. As we've seen in the monarchy debate, you can't reach a compromise with the "democracy-optional" post-RUMP tendency. You have to defeat them fair and square.

I must say I was a little disconcerted by the new interface for the ranked-choice voting elections. I worked it out within a minute or two, but it might have been good for the ballot to be "trialed" a week or so in advance to give examples.

I'd encourage anyone interested in the nuts and bolts of 61RZ27, the way it was presented and the fallout, to follow the discussion in the #xheneral channel of the Discord on this. Not *very* heated but very pointed debate which is coming to some serious conclusions.

Quote from: Françal I. Lux on November 14, 2025, 07:22:08 PMyou're going to mischaracterize what I said in a private conversation

Happy to post the screenshots of the messages if you disagree with my characterisation of them.

My government have not "dropped the ball". Immigration is at an all time high. We did not make any "mistake" over 61RZ27. The bill was drastically flawed and would have opened me up personally to years of prosecution. But AD told actionable falsehoods about these matters in an email, you believed them, and once you'd decided to join AD's team, you didn't even want to hear counterarguments, because "we have an election to win".

You have to understand that playing politics like this drives people out of Talossa.

Quote from: Françal I. Lux on November 14, 2025, 05:59:57 PMWell done, baron. I'm proud of the campaign we've run and I encourage every Talossan to vote Progressive this election! Help us enact our bold and positive agenda and let's keep Talossa fun and accessible to everyone!

You know, I'm not going to forget that PM you sent about how you agreed that you're telling falsehoods about the URL but "we have an election to win"

The people are not going to have a great time next election if the choice is between the Sex Pest party and the "massive dishonesty" party.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 14, 2025, 05:29:54 PMhe Progressive Alliance has approached the IDT about possibly working together on areas of shared interest

Progressive Alliance: goes absolutely nuts at the URL for correctly characterizing them as the conservative party in this election

Next minute

Progressive Alliance: forms a coalition with the absolute monarchy party

Lucky you saved this to just before the election so the people couldn't make their minds up on it, huh :D

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 13, 2025, 03:15:38 PM

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on November 13, 2025, 03:10:22 PMTo sweeten the deal, we'll do like Canadian debates and have half the questions in Talossan.

Can we have this for every debate please?

I'm game. I'll coach Mic'haglh.

a minor party debate between the Orthodox absolute monarchists represented by @Max Maltezos and the Anarcho-surrealists represented by @Garth Spencer .

Come on, guys. You know you want to. To sweeten the deal, we'll do like Canadian debates and have half the questions in Talossan.

So you have no objection to the question if we replace the words "lead a fishing expedition" with "go through"?

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 13, 2025, 05:37:27 AMCan the PA confirm that, if they lead the next Government, they will lead a fishing expedition through all the available immigration records of the last two years, seeking for improperly processed or not-processed immigration applications?

That's exactly what you promised to do.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 21, 2025, 09:12:40 AMPast abuses must be sought out, investigated, and brought to light.  We believe the Government when they say that they've never used the secret power that they want to keep.  But it's possible that other governments have not been responsible in this regard.  The Progressive Alliance will investigate any past abuses and bring them to light.  The people have a right to know whether a bureaucrat has been secretly controlling immigration.

As you know, we offered to rephrase the word "fishing expedition" as too provocative, but this is what you have promised to do. And as I say, if you try it, I'm gone.

See, this is why I think that Baron Davinescu, although he clearly knows right from wrong and what dishonesty is, has a blind spot towards his own behaviour when he gets into "political animal" mode.

If he thinks something is a problem, even if it's something he made up - eg. "the Immigration Minister is throwing applications into the trash" - it's a five alarm fire that requires a full investigation and a new Government.

If someone else thinks something is a problem, and he doesn't, he pretends it's not real and the victim is being irrational. (Ironic, considering how he rightly identifies that as scandalous behaviour in other people.)

I have reason to believe that the moderators for this debate - former political allies or no - agree with Mic'haglh - that they thought they would be vetting the questions, that they did not expect the debate opponents to be trying to set the agenda themselves. If you want any post-election cooperation, it would be wise not to follow the Sex Pest's example, but to acknowledge that your behaviour is upsetting others and play fair.

Fost zirar që c'è ár pirmalaiset partì de monarc'hà ausolü Pravoslavnic da qët poveu me sovenénçar; noi tignhovent avant 'n temp viens Cáþolic.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on November 10, 2025, 04:56:11 PMI am pondering if I should publicly post the mailers I receive for forwarding in addition to sending them out to opted-in citizens. Seems like the opted-out folks (not too many to be honest) are entirely locked out of what seems to be a pretty lively campaign. Also, new citizens might be missing references to prior mailers. Bit too late to implement fairly for this GE, but something to keep in mind.

We were considering reposting all our mailers on this board, but turning the formatting into BBCode felt too much like hard work

BTW, I did my patriotic duty and informed Garth Spencer that he was signing up to the Sex Pest Party, and being an upstanding citizen he decided to stand his own party instead (as he's been threatening to for years lol)

Quote from: Max Maltezos on November 07, 2025, 03:53:42 PMNo, I said that because I would remove him from office if I was the king, Your Majesty.

It's ambiguous whom you mean by "him" here?

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 07, 2025, 06:45:53 AMHilarious, coming from you. If you really think it's a lie, then sue. I dare you. Until then I and everyone else who was there to see it will refer to you by the appropriate terms.

While this would be great spectator sport, I'm afraid Talossan defamation law is very weak. I refer you to the 1997 case of Gallagher v. Madison, where the CpI ruled that KR1 telling outright lies about E. Gallagher was not defamation because "no-one believes what he says anyway".

But once again, what else is hilarious to watch is Breneir deny that he's a sex pest after voting for the unanimous Ziu resolution that he's a sex pest.