I nominate @Açafat del Vál to the Nimlet

2 weeks from now is Independence Day #40, forty years since a teenage boy in Milwaukee declared his bedroom an independent state, and didn't get tired of the project.

The Cabinet have been tossing around various ideas for how to celebrate this, and here's what we've come up with for now:

• Live broadcast (and recorded video) of this year's Speech from the Throne
• Approaching Milwaukee-area news media for coverage
• A Living Cosâ and/or Senäts via videoconferencing in May, to celebrate 35 years since the first democratic elections and Ziu

I now throw the question open to the nation. Let's at least try to make it more successful than East Germany's 40th anniversary year.

How about a good place to start is to convert l'Overstéir so it gives "Marcel's Provisional Standard" spelling as well as the Classic and Common ones?

Quote from: Iac Marscheir on December 09, 2019, 08:01:55 PM
Documents to be translated:
Wiki front page, language-related pages, government-related pages (not necessarily laws just yet) for a start. An other forthcoming ideas are welcome for consideration.

Lüc has suggested one.

QuoteIn addition, there's the Twitter account where opportunities to use the language can be advertised.

Good idea. Has @the Minister of STUFF, who's in charge of our social media accounts, got comment on this?

Quote from: Iac Marscheir on December 09, 2019, 07:29:39 PM
The existence of any levels of organization beyond la SIGN is relatively moot until such time as an official standard can be created for the Talossan language.

Well, we have one now (provisionally). It's the standard in @Marcel's PDF linked in his signature, until SIGN is officially set up and can set a different one.

Do you have any suggestions for documents to be translated? What of the project of glheþinaziun of this forum? And what is your plan of work for the other main part of your role, i.e. promoting the use of the language?

Sorry, I assumed that because I tagged you in this thread you would have seen it by now - my apologies.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on December 09, 2019, 05:57:52 PM

QuoteWho ran that?

Alèx S I believe

Well, he's sadly gone now, so I don't think it's realistic to expect someone else to pick it up and do it in the same way. That said, I totally support some kind of e-sport competition.

Let me be crystal clear about the procedure from here.

1) The Provisional Standard, which will be used for the glheþinaziun of NewWitt and for all other official purposes until replaced by a long-term standard, is whatever Marcel as Provisional Convenor of SIGN says it is until SIGN is operating, and that is the PDF in Marcel's signature until I'm informed otherwise by Marcel.
2)  The rest of you should be prioritizing getting SIGN up and running so you can establish the rules and procedure whereby we will create a long-term standard. As soon as the SIGN rules are established, Marcel's "linguistic dictatorship" ends. I am not opposed to discussion about linguistic norms; but I think the #1 priority, without which no real progress is possible, is to establish SIGN.
3) I'm not happy that @the Ladîntsch Naziunál has so far ignored my question about how he intends to do his job.

I am more than happy for all the debate and discussion in the world, but I am setting priorities for action here because I will not allow another 2 years of faffing around (and if I can't stop it, it will at least be clear it was not my fault that the language community collapsed).

Quote from: Magniloqueu Épiqeu Ac'hlerglünä da Lhiun on December 09, 2019, 04:12:14 AM
I mean, I do not really care. Both seem valid and logical, but the "-rh" is somewhat unique, and worth keeping as an infinitive suffix, too.

No, no, NO. It is probably the worst (as in most aesthetically displeasing) thing about the post-Ben reforms.

Seriously, we get further away from our goal if you try to unpick the provisional standard. If you want to make a case for that spelling, do so as part of the long-term project, and try to get a consensus.

Glüc's done great work, but I'd like to see his predecessor, the longest-ever serving SoS and the creator of our Database system, get something too

With respect, the only answer to that at this stage is a) that's the Talossan language that I and every other pre-2006 Talossan learned; and (b) "why not".

Nitpicking the terms of a provisional, short-term standard will lead to there being no short term standard and we're stuck in the same limbo as the last 2 years. If you want a different rule in the long-term standard, then by all means, propose as much in the long, thorough process that you yourself have recommended, and let the best proposals win.

Quote from: Magniloqueu Épiqeu Ac'hlerglünä da Lhiun on December 08, 2019, 07:13:49 PM
do you write -r [ʃ] for the infinitive, but the future suddenly has a -h- inserted before the suffixes, when pronunciation of the /r/ as [ʃ] does not change?

That is the classical pre-2006 spelling rule. From La Scúrzniâ Gramáticâ Del Glhetg Talossán, Secund Ediziun

Quote21.11 The simple future tense is formed from the infinitive by dropping the -ar ending of the infinitive and adding the
following endings to the stem of the verb:
"I" form -arhéu "We" form -arhent
"Thou" form -arhás "You" form -arhetz
"He/she/it" form -arha "They" form -arhent
21.12 The ending -arh- is pronounced [aS] throughout the future tense conjugation. An example of a regular future tense
conjugation follows:
Lirar [liraS] -- to read
eu lirarhéu [liraSeu] -- I shall read, I am going to read
tú lirarhás [liraSas] -- Thou shalt/art going to read
o lirarha [liraSë] -- He will read, he is going to read
noi lirarhent [liraSënt] -- We shall read, are going to read
voi lirarhetz [liraSec] -- You will read, are going to read
os lirarhent [liraSënt] -- They will read, are going to read
21.13 The -arh- endings were originally spelt -ar- (liraréu, etc.) but it was difficult to remember that these "r's" were to
be pronounced <S>. The addition of the helpful letter "h" was mandated by the Arestadâ of 19 August 1993.

For those who came in late, the role of the Ladintsch Naziunál and his Büreu del Glheþ Talossán is to:

Quotespecifically promote the use of the Talossan language... work in concert with all extra-governmental societies and groups to do the same, and... advise the Department of the Census in the Chancery regarding the creation of Talossan names for citizens who request them. Within the Büreu there shall be a division known as the Talossan Translation Service whose task shall be to translate official or historical documents into el Glheþ Talossan. ..
(and also) advising and making proposals to the Government on how to promote the use of the Talossan language.

So I would like to invite @the Ladîntsch Naziunál to tell us what he intends to do to put the above into practice.

If I can get the UrN despite being branded the Kingdom of Talossa's Public Enemy #1 for the first 15 years of my involvement, anyone can, lol

Anyway, back on topic. I get a notification when I'm Mentioned; can I also get one for Likes to my posts, as Oldwitt did? Oh, I see there already is one, under my avatar - but since you don't see avatars on Latest 59, I don't see that regularly. Can it go in the top menu, near where Mentions is?

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on December 08, 2019, 10:41:35 AM
I don't know, it looks to me like /l/ > [ð] / V_V was just a misinterpretation on Hool's part that somehow managed to get into talossan.com unnoticed.

Can I suggest - as a "rule of thumb" - that where KR1's materials and post-2005 CÚG materials differ (on matters other than orthography) KR1's materials should be preferred?

On the subject of pronunciation I have no idea whether the CÚG were in the habit of actually speaking the language and thus would be able to see whether certain pronunciations were "practical".