I'm not sure we should have Cézembre be represented by a team that is nowhere near Cézembre, in a league that isn't played anywhere near Cézembre in a sport that isn't big anywhere near Cézembre.

Why not pick an NHL team from Vuode or Atatürk and have Cézembres official sport team be Stade Rennais/Stade Cézembrien (Ligue 1)?
Or even Cesson Rennes MHB/Cesson Cézembre MHB (Starligue) if we don't want two football teams from different leagues in the list? (Not to upset Lüc I actually did look at rugby as well, but apparently there arent any top tier Rugby League or Rugby Union teams in Brittany)

Disgusting  >:(

Can't promise anything yet, but any of these times looks good to me. I'm assuming we're not playing for actual money?

If the logistics allow it, Id like to play as well

I'm guessing its not so much sleeping time as working time in New Zealand. It's Europe/Africa/West Asia that will be asleep. Including myself Im afraid.

-Shameless Plug-

Any (fantasy) sports fans here interested in registering their team in the Talossan Cycling Association Tour?
The deadline is July 1st.
Instructions on how to select and register your team: https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=1511.0
The more teams, the more fun

-/Shameless Plug-

Also: Allez les Canards!

Also also, I appreciate the graphs use the correct colours for Cézembre, Benito and Atatürk

The OrgLaw doesnt allow parties to just reassign seats though. Parties assign seats, but "MCs may not be removed from office except by a two-thirds vote by the Cosa and approval by the King. An MC vacates his seats if he fails to vote on two consecutive Clarks, or if he resigns from office or dies."

Nowhere in the OrgLaw is it mentioned that parties can remove their MCs.

Note: not supposed to be a comment on the ethical (or personal) matters being discussed here. Kinda want to stay out that.

Quote from: Ián S.G. Txaglh on April 23, 2022, 03:04:26 PM

sadly, legislation often does not forsee and does not take in account each an every dirty trick played by politicians to get what they want. last 8 yrs in czechia are quite a good example how our idealistic constitution was often used as a toilet paper by the new generation of populistic politicians.

You do get to have pirates in government though, so maybe its not all bad :P

WHEREAS it has been ten years (!!!), one month and 4 days since Lüc da Schir first posted on Wittenberg, and

WHEREAS it has also been more than a fortnight since Lüc first posted following his re-introduction, and

WHEREAS he has in that time demonstrated an active, genuine, and longstanding interest in Talossan life, culture, and language, and

WHEREAS the above pre-cooked sentence is a massive understatement, and

WHEREAS Lüc has always remained a Talossan in our hearts, and

WHEREAS Italy beat Wales 22-21 in the 2022 Six Nations tournament, and

WHEREAS Lüc has been instrumental in editing the wiki, recreating the oversteir, developing new witt, taking the Senate seriously, leading the country, working across party lines, Talomat, Curantoina, exit polls, why hasn't he been made King doesn't he have a knightood yet, and

WHEREAS it's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you, and

WHEREAS will anyone remember to Mick this petition?, and

WHEREAS Lüc desires to regain his citizenship in the Kingdom of Talossa, now

THEREFORE I, Glüc da Dhi, a citizen in good standing of the Province of Cézembre and of the Kingdom of Talossa, do by these presents petition the Secretary of State @Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM  to issue a grant of citizenship to Lüc da Schir, as specified by law.


Petition submitted today, the 8th day of April 2022/XLIII.

_{Edit: pls tell me no one saw that...}

So I was thinking about not voting, but decided that I would vote, but then I forgot the deadline  :-[

Anyway, congrats to the winners. I havent followed Talossa very closely, but this sure seems like its a surprising, and actually sort of exciting, result. The close result and the potential change in government suggests there is still life left in Talossan politics. On the other hand I actually thought the final compromise bill was a solid proposal in the end, so Im slightly disappointed it is now declared dead. Props to Ian and the FreeDems for trying anyway.

Maybe I should have paid more attention and registered the KLüP again. Obviously I would have unduly tried to claim Lücs return as a major partisan victory, but he only told me about his return after the GE already started.

Good luck to whichever parties will form the next government.

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on November 24, 2021, 12:43:55 PM
What if I made the statutes part of the bill

Well that would definitely be better than nothing (I generally think that if statutes are needed for an orglaw amendment to be functional, best practice is to include these in the bill instead of adding them later.)

but I would still urge you to consider at least putting the starting date (relative to the convocation being called) in the orglaw. For comparison, exact election dates are in there as well. And this is really important because it's going to have a large effect on the composition of the convocation. Do we really want a Ziu majority to be able to alter this during the same term as the convocation itself? This seems like exactly the kind of thing to anchor in the constitution.

Quote from: Viteu on November 12, 2021, 11:01:40 PM
"Before any vote for King is cast, the Conclave shall choose an Elector to serve as Herald in a manner it deems appropriate.  Within 96 hours of a vote for King ending, the Herald, the Secretary of State, and the Council of Regency shall, separately and independently of the other, count such votes, and the Herald, the Secretary of State, and the Council of Regency shall, separately and independently of the other, report one result to the Convocation.   After 96 hours, the vote for King is verified based on the vote count of the majority of timely reported results."

Also like this idea.

Some thoughts:

a Convocation shall be called by the Senior Judge of the Uppermost Cort, or in their absence the next available Judge in order of seniority"

Does that mean the Senior Judge shall also chair the convocation? If so, that should probably be explicitly mentioned. If there is to be some other arrangement, that should probably be mentioned as well.

Secondly, what exactly does it mean for a convocation to get called? Perhaps it would be good to include something like:
"Whenever a convocation is called by a judge, said judge shall submit to the Secretary of State a message to all eligible electors announcing the convocation and providing instructions on how and when to register to participate. Whenever the convocation is called by the Ziu, the Túischac'h shall submit this message instead. The convocation shall commence 14 days from the moment the convocation is called. Upon receiving the message the Secretary of State shall be responsible for communicating the message to all eligible electors." (or similar)

The deadline bit seems especially important to me. Under the current proposal, what is to stop the judge calling the convocation and then have the convocation commence immediately after the composition of registered electors seems favourable to them, or alternatively, postpone commencing when the composition seems unfavourable? And even assuming good faith, how does the convocation know when to commence?

I'm not a big fan of setting such things by statute as the monarchy (and therefore the convocation) seems integral to our constitutional framework. I'm also worried we will pass this and then when the times comes nobody will know how to proceed because no statute has been passed.

RZ3 - Per

RZ4 - Per
Apologies for not finding the motivation/time to defend this in the Cosa when it was the subject of discussion. I do think Citaxhien Miestră's words are true and I thank her for coming up with this proposal, which I do hope will indeed improve the quality of our law making. I also thank her for accepting my amendments which will ensure that certain categories of bills for which additional scrutiny is not as necessary can pass the Cosa at the same rate as before. Of course, in case of emergencies there is still the Seneschal bypass.

I will note this particular clause in the bill: "6.5.3. The CRL may create further committees to which their functions may be delegated, as concerns any bill or category of bills. Such a committee must have at least 3 members, including at least 1 MC and at least 1 Senator.". I do hope that the CRL will use this clause and actually form Ziu commitees on particular bill categories/topics.

RZ5 - Con
I truly do appreciate the efforts of the Minister of Finance to answer my questions, especially considering his engagements outside Talossa. I also think the budget is the responsibility of the entire government and not just one person. I can't however, vote in favour of this. There doesn't seem to be any basis for the figure of 200$ as income from sales/donations this year and no (publicly available) government plan to reach that amount. There are no details on the registered agent plan and s;reu Tresplet does not seem to be around to tell us. This is important because there may be long term costs involved with this and the Ziu should really know what these are before acceding to this. Perhaps the government has inside information and plans about this that werent mentioned in the budget thread. I hope this is the case, but as I'm not part of the government I cannot just vote blindly on that hope.

RZ6 - Per

VoC - Non
I suppose since I'm voting against the budget this is the logical conclusion. Assuming the government will succeed in passing the budget regardless of my vote maybe I'll abstain again or vote per next time, depending on the government performance.

So if I understand S;reu Perþonest correctly, about 50 usd was raised in stamp sales/donations last year.

On what basis does the government think it is realistic that 200 dollars will be raised this term (noting that a cosa term is less than a year)?

Also, what is the government's plan regarding the stamps now that it turns out 50 dollars for stamps may not be feasible?