You've already been told that the raising of issues surrounding Honours was in response to the King acting wide.  The government instructed the Monarch to issue a National Honour and he didn't do it, instead he choose to issue a Dynastic Honour.  I'm still of the opinion the King broke the law on this.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 15, 2021, 08:09:04 PM

Quote from: Eðo Grischun on May 15, 2021, 07:46:18 PM
So, in the same gaslighting manner, Baron Heed-da-Baw is hinging this whole thing on the idea that the Historic Compromise must be permanent. Really permanent. Never to speak about anything to do with it again permanent. Which... is nonsense.

Obviously, it would be absurd to say that any political agreement would need to last forever or else it's illegitimate.  That's not what I'm saying.

No, that's exactly what you have been saying.  The whole premise of your opposition is based around the fact that it's impossible for supporters of the HC to guarantee they won't ever, ever, ever fiddle about with anything related to the Monarchy in the future or else it's not really a compromise.  Hence your list in a previous reply:

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You can't say that you're compromising your vision for a completely Government-run honours system, because you feel free to pursue changing that whenever you please.

You can't say that you'd refuse to rename the king to a new title, because you don't feel like you might want to do that, too.

You can't say that you're bound to protect the king's role in appointments, because maybe you'll disagree with a decision of his and want to change it.

You can't say that you're determined to prevent any change in the length of the "king"s term, because maybe seven years is too long and you'll decide to make it shorter sometime during the first term or next.

You can't say that you're going to protect the royal veto, because maybe it needs to be reduced a little bit more.

Yep.  We can't say any of those things because it's utterly impossible to comment on future events that have not happened and may never happen.  You're whole argument boils down to that.  That the Historic Compromise is rubbish because at some stage in the future we might want to pass a law tinkering with something related to the Monarchy.  It's complete BS.  I applaud your effort though, because you might have managed to confuse a few voters with that tomfoolery wordsmithery.  The fact is, though, that those kind of things will only happen as a reaction to some change in material circumstances caused by future actions of the Monarch.

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My actual point is that there is no compromise at all, be it one that lasts a week or a month.  They won't even verbally commit to anything.  Republicans are just taking most of what they want now, and they plan to come back for more later.

Hyperbole.  And, that last bit Won't happen.  Sheer, unfounded speculation.  Unless, again, the material circumstances are caused to change by the actions of a King's mis, mal, or non-feasance.

(The below is 100% personal opinion)


The tactic being employed by the Baron De Skelped Erse (and his plus one) is very similar to the strategy used by opponents of Scottish Independence.

"You had a referendum in 2014.  We answered no. ThAtS DeMoCrAcY So YoU CaNt HaVe A sEcOnD sHoT"

They claim a second referendum can't ever happen because democracy.  It's makes no sense at all.  Surely, democracy allows for minds to change over time?  I mean, by the same logic, we might as well never, ever have any more than one election. 'The people got to choose the government way back in nineteen canteen, that was democracy, so no, you don't get another election'.  Nonsense.

So, in the same gaslighting manner, Baron Heed-da-Baw is hinging this whole thing on the idea that the Historic Compromise must be permanent. Really permanent. Never to speak about anything to do with it again permanent. Which... is nonsense.

Just like the Scottish Independence referendum, opponents like to say "it was supposed to be once in a generation!!!!".  But, they refuse to accept the fact that the material circumstances have changed since the first one.  (in that case, Brexit happened).

The Historic Compromise, no matter how long it lasts, is still an Historic Compromise.  It is utterly unfair to say that it not a compromise because it can't come with a future-proof guarantee that nothing about the monarchy ever gets mentioned ever ever ever again.  It is not only unfair, it is bad faith.  It is not only bad faith, it is absolutely and terrifyingly UNDEMOCRATIC.

You want honesty?  Ok.  The Historic Compromise will last as long as it lasts.  That's as confident an answer I can give without being able to read the future.  It will last as long as it lasts.  However, I am confident that the side that breaks it won't be us.  Supporters of the Historic Compromise will live with it and stand by it all the way up until the other side does something silly to force a material change in circumstances.

A major principle in governance is that one Parliament can't tie the hands of a future Parliament.  So, the Baron Von Bawlsax is asking for the impossible by demanding the compromise comes with some kind of guarantee that nothing in the future ever gets mentioned ever again regarding the monarchy.  Like, what if we did find some way to make that guarantee and then a King decides to just start abusing his side of the system in some way?  Well, we would just have to accept it and let him get away with it because, well, democracy had its day and the compromise is to last forever plus a day. 

Well, no.  The historic compromise will last as long as it lasts and it will only be broken in the event of a change in the material circumstances surrounding the Monarchy.  Demanding anything further, again, is absolutely and terrifyingly undemocratic.

Cool. I usually update the table once the Burgermeister sends me a message with the payment details.


By the way, are we doing this in 'seasons' or is it just a never-ending league?  If it is seasons, when do they begin and end?

Welcome to Vuode!

As V said above;

Plus, if you want to learn more about what's happened in Vuode over the past few years, the better place for reading material would be the old Vuode sub-forum at https://talossa.proboards.com

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on May 10, 2021, 11:53:37 AM

Quote from: Eðo Grischun on May 10, 2021, 09:24:39 AM
But nothing in the six months changes.  The VoC fails, then six months pass, then a new King "shall" be chosen.

The waiting period doesn't actually do anything to ensure the decision is well considered.  The decision would have been made and no amount of waiting period changes that.

If there was temporary dislike of the King for whatever reason, then, by the time six months had past, the Convocation would be more inclined to select the current King again.

Gotcha now.  Thanks.

But nothing in the six months changes.  The VoC fails, then six months pass, then a new King "shall" be chosen.

The waiting period doesn't actually do anything to ensure the decision is well considered.  The decision would have been made and no amount of waiting period changes that. 

What is the reason behind the six month delay between a failed "VoC" and the second convening?

Account looks good to go.  Any problems give us a shout.

Table Updated:
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The Burgermeister has informed me that a further donation (voluntary taxation) was received by Gödafrïeu Válcadác'h on March 30th.

This puts GV in the lead by 5 points.

To members of the Free Democrats of Talossa:


I have recently announced, on another FreeDem forum, that I will be standing down as Party President. In the past year I have been more involved in front line work with my trade union and recently I was elected as the Chair of my local branch in Glasgow (which is also the de facto branch for the whole of Scotland). It is a great opportunity, but it comes with a massive level of responsibility and it is also a major time suck. Right now, I am leading a fight against two city councils and the Scottish Government on a policy that negatively impacts our members, building a case against a city council on a different major issue, became a key player in two big legal battles against a well known multinational corporation, attending licensing hearings with members and defending their licences and livelihoods, as well as the day to day minutiae that comes with the role. Not to mention doing my actual day job that pays the bills and stuff. It is an exciting time for me with lots of great stuff happening, but I am the most busy and most tired I have ever been in my life. Unfortunately, at times like these, as we have seen many times with other Talossans, it is Talossan work that ends up needing to give. I will not be able to commit the same levels of time, energy and focus to Talossa as I usually do.

I am not giving up my citizenship, nor am I leaving the Freedems, nor am I stepping down from the Senate, nor resigning from Ministries, nor even wanting to walk away from front line politics completely (...at least, not yet :o ). A lot of this is all just down to bad timing. I anticipate that as the world edges closer to normality following the events of the past year, that things for me will smooth out and become more manageable. I have been promised by my vice chair and more experienced committee members that we are just going through an unusually busy time right now. So, eventually, I will be back to being more involved in Talossa, I hope.

However, right now, it would be wrong of me to keep on keeping on. I would be putting the party's electoral chances in jeopardy by not alerting you all to what is going on and by not taking a step back. It would be grossly negligent and irresponsible of me to take no course of action here on this.

An Extraordinary Convention has been called to fill the role that I am leaving (above post). I encourage all interested party members to come forward and support the party and help build what comes next for us.

With apologies to all.
Still yours for Talossa.
Eddie.

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** Extraordinary/Exceptional Party Convention**

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"All members of the party shall be eligible to both vote in elections to and stand for the above offices. Fourteen days' notice should be given prior to these elections being held on the forum used for conducting party business, and nominations should open when this notice is given."

I think a multiple reading system would be highly beneficial.

Also, a "ping-pong" between the two Houses might be a good idea.

No, because euthanasia is protected under Cov.8 therefore is not "repugnant to the values expressed in the Covenant of Rights and Freedoms".