I'd like to thank everyone again who could attend. I may be biased, but I think today's session was a success, and I'm excited to have another session in February!

The State Opening and Joint Informal Session is underway! https://unipd.zoom.us/j/88582238457?pwd=lrVZ5swd4T9ULUrviBoeHx9HjeiNm3.1

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Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 08:08:02 AMThe King may debate, but not vote. The Secretary of State may do neither. No one else can speak unless invited to do so, which is what a terpelaziun does.

While I mostly agree with you, as long as we don't have precedents or rules governing it, what you said is opinion and not fact - moreso because the Seneschal doesn't and shouldn't have any particular authority over the Ziu's operations.

Parliaments worldwide handle this stuff in wildly different ways and since the Ziu is not based on any individual one, we just can't make gut-feeling assumptions.

Oh, yeah, I absolutely have no authority to say either way.  I just think the answer for a lot of these flows pretty naturally from the respective roles in the law.  I mean, the king is legally part of the Ziu but has no vote, so being able to speak but not vote in an informal session makes sense to me.

I agree with the basic idea that we should do what seems to work and then codify it.

Welcome to the party!  Yes, we haven't used this thread a lot.  I better make a recruitment thread!

Quote from: Tong Mun Kit on Today at 12:45:00 AMI miss the time 3 hours late

It actually hasn't happened yet. Less than 4 hours from now.

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I want to join the party.. 120 days no one post here?

I miss the time 3 hours late

Quote from: Iason Taiwos on Yesterday at 01:22:33 PMWhereabouts in Ohio?

Nowhere I stay permanently. I just have an Ohio driver's license.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on Yesterday at 05:15:07 PMWhile I mostly agree with you, as long as we don't have precedents or rules governing it, what you said is opinion and not fact - moreso because the Seneschal doesn't and shouldn't have any particular authority over the Ziu's operations.

Parliaments worldwide handle this stuff in wildly different ways and since the Ziu is not based on any individual one, we just can't make gut-feeling assumptions.

Despite operating under a parliamentary system for decades, we kinda have to reinvent all the procedural aspects of it from scratch. We can (and probably should at some point) get together and properly think through all these intricacies, but until then I figured it would be good enough if I as the presiding officer were to go with my gut and common sense instinct, and members can appeal and set precedents explicitly whenever it's necessary, and then later we collect and codify these precedents.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 08:08:02 AMThe King may debate, but not vote. The Secretary of State may do neither. No one else can speak unless invited to do so, which is what a terpelaziun does.

While I mostly agree with you, as long as we don't have precedents or rules governing it, what you said is opinion and not fact - moreso because the Seneschal doesn't and shouldn't have any particular authority over the Ziu's operations.

Parliaments worldwide handle this stuff in wildly different ways and since the Ziu is not based on any individual one, we just can't make gut-feeling assumptions.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Yesterday at 08:56:20 AMIt's an interesting question, actually. In Germany, ministers who aren't MPs are allowed to participate in debates when the bill in question is on a topic that's part of their portfolio, in order to represent Government policies. I would be in favour of allowing something like this in Talossa, too.

And this is precisely a perfect example of what I was getting at.