Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 09:18:41 AMNo one's saying that people aren't smart,It may not seem like it to you, but whenever you dismiss a voting system that lets voters have more say than just selecting a logo as "complicated", it comes across as incredibly condescending, and as if you don't trust people to even have that much of a say to begin with.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 09:18:41 AMThis is because the majority of Talossans aren't party activists or legislators or even very present on Wittenberg, and there's no forcible penetration of Talossa into their daily life. [...]I don't know what your perception of the average German or the average Australian for that matter is, but we're not all party activists or legislators or even politically active either, and it still works somehow. Why might that be? Elections are voluntary in Germany, so the fact that being Talossan and participating in Talossan elections is also voluntary is not a satisfying answer, either.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 08:57:21 AMThis is really complicated and seems prone to gamesmanship
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 08:28:19 AMWow, this is a little bit confusing.Let me first say that this proposal (not my favourite but one which still acknowledges parties) is based very heavily on the system of panachage used in German local elections. Which is to say, it works and has been shown to work for decades. It's not the simplest system in the world, but then again, simplicity is often the antithesis of fairness when it comes to voting (see FPTP).
QuoteAlso, I suspect we're going to have a problem with the practical implementation of this. We should expect a majority of people to do what they've always done: cast party votes.Sure, most would. That's why this is an explicit option.
QuoteThat means that we're giving wildly disproportionate power to people who cast individual votes. They're steering all of those party votes' distribution. (Also, what happens if a party gets no individual votes?)I don't know what you mean by "wildly disproportionate" here. People who vote for a single list accept the list and the ordering of its candidates without change. People who vote for individuals care about ordering or cross-partisan support. If a party gets no individual votes, the party seats are distributed evenly among all candidates on the list, with preference given to candidates on the top of the list.
QuoteThis obviously disadvantages small parties, of course.How?
QuoteIn our past, many times new or small parties have only had one or two candidates -- practically speaking, this system would force voters to spread out their vote if they choose candidates.If people prefer a small party to the exclusion of all others, then they can just vote for that small party directly, no splitting required. If they choose to split their votes, they can. I don't see where or how voters would be forced to do anything.
QuoteThis seems like there'd be no seat maximum? And it says nothing about replacement seats?The way seat maximums and replacement seats are handled would be unaffected, which is why I didn't mention them.
QuoteHonestly, I'm not sure this proposal works for us just because we're so small.What does size have to do with giving voters more of a say?
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on May 28, 2026, 10:03:52 AMQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 28, 2026, 09:53:46 AMThe people's will is best and most directly expressed by their vote, and we should be careful about wise elders deciding when the people's will shouldn't count.
This is exactly why I oppose expanding off-list appointees or softening party list requirements any further, since it is essentially elder party leaders deciding that the directly expressed preference for a certain slate of candidates should not count as long as it's convenient for them.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on May 28, 2026, 10:03:52 AMBut setting all that aside, what do you think of the voting system I proposed a few posts ago?QuoteElections to the Cosă shall be conducted following the principles of personalised proportional voting.
- Voters shall be given the choice to either vote for a single party list at-large, or to distribute exactly 20 individual votes among all candidates listed on all party lists. A single candidate may be awarded up to three individual votes.
- Seats shall be apportioned among party lists according to their at-large party list votes as well as the total individual votes for their candidates using the largest remainder method. Individual candidate votes shall count as one twentieth of an at-large party list vote for the purposes of party seat apportionment. In case of a tie, the party with the higher total vote count is prefered.
- Party seats shall be apportioned among their list candidates according to their individual votes using the largest remainder method. In case of a tie, the candidate listed higher on the list is prefered.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 01, 2026, 02:56:53 PM[quQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 01, 2026, 02:56:53 PMQuote from: King Txec on May 01, 2026, 02:24:14 PMYour Majesty, I am hereby designating Tong Mun Kit and Moinul Moin as replacements for these vacant party seats.Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 01, 2026, 01:06:08 PMArticle IV, Section 3 of the Organic Law of the Kingdom of Talossa says: "In the case of vacant party seats occurring between elections, the Secretary of State shall inform the King and the leader of whatever party held the vacant seat. The King shall appoint a replacement to each vacancy. If the seat belonged to a party with a functioning party leader, the King must appoint as a replacement whichever person shall be so designated by that party's leader."
Your Majesty, I am hereby designating Tong Mun Kit and Moinul Moin as replacements for these vacant party seats.
If you would do me a favor S:reu Seneschal @Baron Alexandreu Davinescu and include the number of seats per MC I am appointing so we can do this as legally as possible.
Thank you.
-Txec R
Your Majesty,
Please appoint Tong Mun Kit thirteen seats, to a total of twenty, and assign the remaining seven to Moinul Moin.
It is my opinion that the Organic Law overrules the statute that purports to contradict it. I believe completely that Your Grace has only good intentions, and I commend your care. However, I do not believe that my party's voters should be disenfranchised by regulations that are inorganic and penalize success. I don't think there is any wiggle room in the phrasing of our supreme governing law.
If you would do me a favor S:reu Seneschal @Baron Alexandreu Davinescu and include the number of seats per MC I am appointing so we can do this as legally as possible.
Thank you.
-Txec R
Your Majesty,
Please appoint Tong Mun Kit thirteen seats, to a total of twenty, and assign the remaining seven to Moinul Moin.
It is my opinion that the Organic Law overrules the statute that purports to contradict it. I believe completely that Your Grace has only good intentions, and I commend your care. However, I do not believe that my party's voters should be disenfranchised by regulations that are inorganic and penalize success. I don't think there is any wiggle room in the phrasing of our supreme governing law.