Group 9 - difficult choices

On Melancholy Hill - 4
Fix You - 3

Black Hole Sun - 2
Nýfallið regn - 1
HM: All Along the Watchtower
HM: Vacanze Romane
HM: Kashmir

HM: Tri Martolod
HM: On the River


Group 10 - Superstacked

Paranoid Android - 4

Once in a Lifetime - 3
How Soon Is Now? - 2
The Universal - 1
xHM: Solsbury Hill
xHM: Fifty-fifty Clown

HM: everything else in this group

GROUP 9
4. Matia Bazar - Vacanze Romane
3. Gorillaz - On Melancholy Hill
2. Led Zeppelin - Kashmir
1. Soundgarden - Black Hole Sun

GROUP 10
4. Radiohead - Paranoid Android
3. The Who - Baba O'Riley
2. Blur - The Universal
1. Peter Gabriel - Solsbury Hill

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 05:43:48 PM

Quote from: Sir Lüc on Yesterday at 04:47:21 PMWe're seemingly deciding that it is acceptable to kick the can down the road and submit to the citizenry an amendment whose effects we are effectively agreeing to settle after the election.

This is the outcome of rushed legislation that was required to get a 2/3 majority consensus before a hard deadline. And this is also why we need a professional, full-time civil servant to proofread legislation.

Also: this is absolutely true (don't make me get on my CRL replacement spiel again), but a simple commencement clause would also have saved us.

I brought them up ages ago (most likely around OrgLaw reform period of 2017-2019) while researching British bills, which all have them, and while I think the public answer was "they're unnecessary", I still think it would be a good habit to have a clear final clause stating when bills are supposed to go into effect.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 05:43:48 PMHowever: there is no dispute over what RZ26 does, only the point at which it happens. Assuming there are no snap elections, by February it won't matter.

Right, but the description I proposed for RZ26 supports what you're saying: the only "points at which it happens" that are in there are the seats-per-member cap raise happening immediately, in the third bulletpoint, and the 20-seat Cosă entering into effect at the first election after next February, just as you mentioned, which is in the first bulletpoint.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on Yesterday at 04:47:21 PMWe're seemingly deciding that it is acceptable to kick the can down the road and submit to the citizenry an amendment whose effects we are effectively agreeing to settle after the election.

This is the outcome of rushed legislation that was required to get a 2/3 majority consensus before a hard deadline. And this is also why we need a professional, full-time civil servant to proofread legislation. However: there is no dispute over what RZ26 does, only the point at which it happens. Assuming there are no snap elections, by February it won't matter.

I'm genuinely struggling to put into words my thoughts here, and I couldn't find any time to do so over the weekend, so this response is also rather delayed, so I apologise in advance on both counts.

That said, my thinking roughly boils down to two aspects.

1), about the descriptions themselves: Objections to option 3 all seem to be about RZ26's effects, rather than the idea of summaries themselves, especially since it seems like everyone would rather ditch the full text rather than keep it, if that was the binary choice. I take it to mean that if we truly think interpreting RZ26's effect by the majority opinion is unacceptable, then we might as well keep the other summaries and only apply option 2 to RZ26.

2), about RZ26: We're seemingly deciding that it is acceptable to kick the can down the road and submit to the citizenry an amendment whose effects we are effectively agreeing to settle after the election. I don't think that is wise nor a good thing for Talossan democracy. (Partially, I suppose, because it seems like there is only one person actually disagreeing with the majority opinion.)

Quote from: Tierçéu Rôibeardescù on Yesterday at 09:29:02 AM@Sir Ian Plätschisch is A fellow. Chelli dal Nordselvă also.

The Queen is not very active on Wittenberg so she would not be a great steward. She keeps updated by my constant conversation about the kingdom :-)

-Txec R

@Sir Ian Plätschisch is A fellow. Chelli dal Nordselvă also.

That sounds good and big and clever

@Þon Txoteu É. Davinescu, O.SPM is also a potential steward.

Im limited you see by the loss of the late, great Ian Ián Tamorán and Mr ESBs current... questionmark over membership as they are currently not a citizen. I am also willing to lower the level of qualification to steward to the fellowship should they be willing.