Quote from: Françal I. Lux on Yesterday at 10:59:38 AM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on May 02, 2026, 07:32:11 PMI personally champion a form of Sequential Proportional Approval Voting as a voting system that is partyless, fair, and easy to explain and implement (feel free to ask me if you want to hear details), but any reform that furthers the principles of transparency and returning power to the people will do. Conversely, any reform idea that seeks to systematically deceive voters and trick them into helping people into power against the popular will is dead on arrival.

I'd like to hear more about this and how we would implement it in Talossa.

The way it works is that voters would be given a ballot with all the candidates on it, and then would be asked to vote for every candidate they approve of. There is no minimal or maximal number of approvals, and no ranking between approved candidates, every approval is worth the same. You can think of it as "building your own party list" if you like.

Ballots would then be counted in rounds, one round for each open seat. In the first round, the candidate with the most total approvals wins. Before every subsequent round, ballots are weighted: ballots who approve of one winner are worth 1/2, those that approve of two winners are worth 1/3, those that approve of three are worth 1/4 etc, and after the weighting is done you count the totals and whoever has the highest total wins that round. Repeat until all seats are filled.

This sort of voting system is proportional thanks to the ballot weighting mechanism, partyless because party affiliation doesnt matter for a candidate's victory, and much easier to implement than STV (speaking from first-hand experience); switching the database over to this kind of voting system would as far as I can tell not be super difficult, and the counting and weighting steps are very easily automatisable.

I also think the explanation is simpler than for STV (especially with regards to like, how to handle fractional overflow or what have you) but I'm biased so I'll let you be the judge of that.

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be on Today at 12:10:23 AMThis is just my two bence, but I would argue that the provincial seats in an MMP setup could satisfy this preference, no? Yes, it does still factor into a partisan distribution of seats, but hear me out:

* Talossa as a country does have a fair amount of its activity revolve around politics, regardless of what one may think of this.
* Quite a few Talossans prefer a political system that actually features, well, politics. Discussion, debate, and organization based on ideological and ethical stances, as opposed to politics-as-a-popularity contest. (Some Talossans, to be fair, clearly do not share this preference.)
* An electoral system that seeks to balance the evaluation of individual candidates and evaluation of ideological groupings would, to my eyes, function as a compromise between these two approaches to Talossan politics.
* If we have an MMP system and the party list seats are also chosen via an open-list system, that would be a massive shift towards an individualized approach to politics, but it doesn't completely abandon modern, ideology-based partisan politics, either.

Just to be clear, I'm not arguing against party politics at all, I'm just not a fan of lists in principle because, in my view, it robs the voters choice. As I stated previously, it forces voters to elect their representatives as a block and prevents them from scrutinizing individual candidates. Let's say I ideologically align with Party A, but there's one or two individuals on their party list I disagree with for whatever reason, why should I be forced to elect them into office? What if I want to split my vote because there's someone in Party B who I actually know will be a good MC despite some political disagreements we might have?

Again, with a 20-seat Cosa, I would argue it's even more important that voters get to scrutinize individual candidates and ascertain whether they'd be good, responsible and serious public servants. Having to rely on a party list prevents that from happening because the party itself can pave over whatever flaws their candidates may have. If someone running for office can't stand on their own two feet and articulate why they should be in the Cosa, or if they lack the commitment or time to truly be present and active enough, I'd argue they have no business running for office.

Let's go!

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Quote from: Françal I. Lux on Yesterday at 10:58:21 AM

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on May 01, 2026, 09:21:30 PMIt's even less democratic when the party leader just picks the MCs, unrestricted by any list.

Isn't this, in practice, the current system we have now?

As Miestra pointed out, this is not quite the system we have; party lists do provide restriction on who the leader may appoint to seats in the Cosa. Granted, at least one party leader seems to disagree, but that's a job for the judiciary at the moment.

QuoteSince we're moving to a 20-seat Cosa, I would argue that individual candidates' ideas and principles should be scrutinized more during an election and voters should have a direct say in who's representing them instead of being forced to pick lists of people.

This is just my two bence, but I would argue that the provincial seats in an MMP setup could satisfy this preference, no? Yes, it does still factor into a partisan distribution of seats, but hear me out:

* Talossa as a country does have a fair amount of its activity revolve around politics, regardless of what one may think of this.
* Quite a few Talossans prefer a political system that actually features, well, politics. Discussion, debate, and organization based on ideological and ethical stances, as opposed to politics-as-a-popularity contest. (Some Talossans, to be fair, clearly do not share this preference.)
* An electoral system that seeks to balance the evaluation of individual candidates and evaluation of ideological groupings would, to my eyes, function as a compromise between these two approaches to Talossan politics.
* If we have an MMP system and the party list seats are also chosen via an open-list system, that would be a massive shift towards an individualized approach to politics, but it doesn't completely abandon modern, ideology-based partisan politics, either.

@Sir Lüc

S:r Secretary would you please move this to the CRL?

@Sir Lüc

S:r Secretary would you please move this to the CRL?

Let's a-go!

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 11:47:13 AMI thank the MZ for his question.  I am currently serving as Avocat-Xheneral, as indicated by law.

I thank the new A-X for a prompt reply.

Quote from: Françal I. Lux on Yesterday at 10:58:21 AMIsn't this, in practice, the current system we have now?

At the moment, at least 2/3 of the MCs have to be on a list of candidates that the voters saw at election time and approved of. I think it should be 100%. Because party leaders have just brought people into the Cosa who have no democratic mandate at all.