Quote from: Iason Taiwos on July 15, 2025, 06:21:04 PMThe official Talossan website should have a store.

Excellent point, the Government is *trying* to get Talossaware back underway. That's something for @Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be and his deputy minister @Barclamïu da Miéletz to follow up.

A lot of this discussion is sadly irrelevant to the point that we all know cool miéida that could be happening, but it's not happening because apart from a tiny, tiny minority, no-one wants to do any hutschind work around here. We have elections where the opposition yells "why isn't the government doing cool stuff?", the government says "we can't find anyone with the time and energy', they lose the election, then the new government doesn't have anyone with the time or energy either. Plenty of time and energy for fighting elections though, lol.

*cough* anyway...

Quote from: Iason Taiwos on July 15, 2025, 06:21:04 PMWe need more original Talossan language works, or translations, anything.

Have you given AD's Teach Yourself Talossan lessons a go? Be the change you want to see in the world

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 15, 2025, 06:31:58 PMA lot of info on Talossa is decades if not more out of date, to the point where some in the micronational community still believed (until *I* corrected them) that Talossa was split into a Kingdom and Republic. I don't know how this keeps happening.

That's a consequence of decades of self-imposed isolation, which the King and the Foreign Ministry is doing its best to roll back.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 15, 2025, 06:02:54 PMI would like to reiterate that I think this debate isn't helpful.  I know that Dama Miestra, Pol, and Antaglha want to circle the wagons and defend the Government, but this is a thread about a bipartisan royal commission.

I wasn't actually going to intervene myself, since personalised attacks on me inevitably derail every discussion, but I am very happy to see my Cabinet ministers do so. The King is to be commended that his commission has sparked contributions from those who have previously felt shy about giving their viewpoints. It is working as intended. More formal discussions can go on within the Commission, in parallel.

I fear that the Conservative Alliance entered this debate under the delusion that they were going to criticise everyone else, and nobody was going to criticise them.

The only reason why I joined Talossa in the first place was its language. Everyone can declare their bedroom to be an independent kingdom and hang flags and what not, but we're the only ones to have our own national language with almost 45 years of history behind it. However, I'm afraid this is only really a pull factor for language nerds (such as myself), and even then finding pertinent information on the language is difficult. I remember having to correct other language nerds on Reddit when they promoted Talossan has having 12 noun cases (which it might've had in the late 80s but where do you even get that info from?).

Personally, the problem might be one of low general appeal combined with difficulty to find info. A lot of info on Talossa is decades if not more out of date, to the point where some in the micronational community still believed (until *I* corrected them) that Talossa was split into a Kingdom and Republic. I don't know how this keeps happening.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 15, 2025, 06:21:55 PMI am going to decline to respond to any of this, except to say that I think this thread would best be served by keeping it focused on the bipartisan royal commission which was created to recommend specific solutions to the people and the Ziu, not to cast blame.  Please, if you wish to continue debating, please start a new thread or continue at the one I linked.

I will take that as your conceding the point of discussion. My only accusation is that somebody always tries to stifle the debate rather than actually respond in a meaningful and constructive way. This commission on immigration needs to address more than numbers but motivation. I've fully stated my position and don't need to rehash.

Quote from: Iason Taiwos on July 15, 2025, 06:21:04 PMIf I'm not allowed to post here, not being a member of this committee, then please delete this. (But give me a break. I work in a miserable factory, it was 107 degrees Fahrenheit in there today, my brains are a little fried.)
Talossa is great. I've been a citizen since 2011. Somehow, you all have put up with me even when I've occasionally been a complete jackass. I am pleased to be a part of Talossa, and am proud if I've managed to make any single, meager contribution to it. (yeah, that Cjovani crap.) Talossa has held my interest since 2011. I haven't even held a job at the same place for that long. I've come to believe that this is a community of decent, creative, and genuinely cool people, and I don't think I'd ever renounce my citizenship. The only way I leave Talossa is in a casket.
That being said, the problem is immigration. I've tried to get my own family members to join, without success. The grandkids walk into my house, see my Talossan flag hanging on the wall, and my Guizua prominently displayed, it's just "That's that fake country Poppy is an Admiral in." Efforts to recruit some of the nerds that frequent Vitx's game store have also met with failure.
Then I get online and see shit like Slowjamistan. Maybe that guy has a lot of money. He bought a parcel of land in the desert. You can go there. He has merch you can buy. You can drive to wherever his land is, he has signs up, maybe you can meet him and other Slowjamistanians. Sealand is harder to actually visit, but you shell out some Louis, you can become royalty. Novelty gift, be a Duke or whatever. Get a fancy certificate.
I'm not suggesting Talossa become like that. "Become a Duke in Talossa for $39.95! Get a certificate signed by the King!" But, maybe that kind of marketing may help. People like to get stuff. Citizenship in Talossa may be free, but why can't we charge money for citizenship certificates and ID cards? And flags? The official Talossan website should have a store. Sure, you'll get a bunch of people who join just for the novelty. "I've lived in Milwaukee my whole life and didn't know I was a in an independent nation! I just joined and ordered an ID card!" Out of all the people who do that as a novelty, maybe we'll get some more people who become intrigued by what Talossa is all about, and who will actively take it seriously. If not, we've still managed to get money from them.
As far as I'm concerned, our language is our greatest asset. We should promote the shit out of that. We need more original Talossan language works, or translations, anything. I'm half tempted to try and contact Iusti Canun in prison, who knows? The dude has nothing but spare time, by now he may have translated the entire Lord of the Rings into Talossan.
I'm done now. Work was pretty bad today. I believe I may have heat exhaustion.

These are good ideas!  Thank you.

Quote from: Dr. Pôl dal Nordselvă on July 15, 2025, 06:13:45 PMIsn't this the purpose of this debate and commission? It seems to me the only person "circling" anything is you as you circle the drain of irrelevance. The point of this commission isnt to point fingers and blame others for perceived error. Rather it is to find a path forward that encourages immigration. I'd suggest the purpose is to encourage longevity. Again I say why have peiple come here to leave or just disappear?

As much as I opposed the AI conversation that would have at least been an attraction for many people. The curiosity factor alone could have been huge. This issue requires stepping outside our tired and overused talking points and thinking outside the box.

Engaging more with other micronations; virtual sporting events; public engagement with world governments; bringing attention to worldwide concerns. Many or all of these could be draws. There are things that can be done differently that don't require political tension.

We can do better. We SHOULD do better. Let's get the message out that we ARE better.

I am going to decline to respond to any of this, except to say that I think this thread would best be served by keeping it focused on the bipartisan royal commission which was created to recommend specific solutions to the people and the Ziu, not to cast blame.  Please, if you wish to continue debating, please start a new thread or continue at the one I linked.

If I'm not allowed to post here, not being a member of this committee, then please delete this. (But give me a break. I work in a miserable factory, it was 107 degrees Fahrenheit in there today, my brains are a little fried.)
Talossa is great. I've been a citizen since 2011. Somehow, you all have put up with me even when I've occasionally been a complete jackass. I am pleased to be a part of Talossa, and am proud if I've managed to make any single, meager contribution to it. (yeah, that Cjovani crap.) Talossa has held my interest since 2011. I haven't even held a job at the same place for that long. I've come to believe that this is a community of decent, creative, and genuinely cool people, and I don't think I'd ever renounce my citizenship. The only way I leave Talossa is in a casket.
That being said, the problem is immigration. I've tried to get my own family members to join, without success. The grandkids walk into my house, see my Talossan flag hanging on the wall, and my Guizua prominently displayed, it's just "That's that fake country Poppy is an Admiral in." Efforts to recruit some of the nerds that frequent Vitx's game store have also met with failure.
Then I get online and see shit like Slowjamistan. Maybe that guy has a lot of money. He bought a parcel of land in the desert. You can go there. He has merch you can buy. You can drive to wherever his land is, he has signs up, maybe you can meet him and other Slowjamistanians. Sealand is harder to actually visit, but you shell out some Louis, you can become royalty. Novelty gift, be a Duke or whatever. Get a fancy certificate.
I'm not suggesting Talossa become like that. "Become a Duke in Talossa for $39.95! Get a certificate signed by the King!" But, maybe that kind of marketing may help. People like to get stuff. Citizenship in Talossa may be free, but why can't we charge money for citizenship certificates and ID cards? And flags? The official Talossan website should have a store. Sure, you'll get a bunch of people who join just for the novelty. "I've lived in Milwaukee my whole life and didn't know I was a in an independent nation! I just joined and ordered an ID card!" Out of all the people who do that as a novelty, maybe we'll get some more people who become intrigued by what Talossa is all about, and who will actively take it seriously. If not, we've still managed to get money from them.
As far as I'm concerned, our language is our greatest asset. We should promote the shit out of that. We need more original Talossan language works, or translations, anything. I'm half tempted to try and contact Iusti Canun in prison, who knows? The dude has nothing but spare time, by now he may have translated the entire Lord of the Rings into Talossan.
I'm done now. Work was pretty bad today. I believe I may have heat exhaustion.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 15, 2025, 06:02:54 PMI would like to reiterate that I think this debate isn't helpful.  I know that Dama Miestra, Pol, and Antaglha want to circle the wagons and defend the Government, but this is a thread about a bipartisan royal commission.

If you want to have this debate, I'd direct you here: https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=4188.0  Or a new thread somewhere else, if someone wants to challenge the current prevailing narrative.

Otherwise, can we just let this thread alone and agree that we're going to work together to help solve the problem?

AD with all due respect, this IS the place to have this discussion, at least with what myself and Pol have been arguing for, which is that the points we have made, be brought up for serious discussion in the royal commission, Also, I think you'll find that I have not defended the government, and have openly admitted that this is an issue that has been several successive governments, on both sides. But you must have missed those in your haste to respond quickly. As I have not in any way been defending the government, but saying that we need the scope of the commission to talk about our appeal to non talossans who might stumble across us. And how to make this look like a place they might want to join. It's all well and good in reforming the immigration system, if nothing else changes, and the numbers remain low (as to be frank, they have been low for years under our governments of others) then we would be back at square one.

I believe that this being talked about by the commission should be a part of its agenda to look at solution in tandem with other issues the commission might find to rectify.

Well I take a break for a few hours and then see this thread has exploded. Let's keep it on point - as it is about the Royal Commission. Thanks.

-Txec R