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#31
Wittenberg / Re: Cosă size reduction timer
Last post by Baron Alexandreu Davinescu - August 04, 2026, 05:29:28 PMQuote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 04, 2026, 05:26:55 PMBut even if the baseline change would enter into effect immediately rather than next year, would that mean the 63rd Cosă would have 20 seats? And what about the other changes to the Cosă's composition such as seat limits and iron-clad party lists, would they come into effect with the 63rd Cosă or the 64th? We've actually been debating this on the URL Discord and it seems the only thing we could agree on is that this stuff is confusing lol. I believe there is a lot of potential for confusion and grave misunderstandings here that we would be better avoiding at all costs, so it'd be practical to collectively agree on some sort of "timeline of events" beforehand.
There's no other provision requiring a waiting time for any other changes, so I think everything else would come into play after the referendum passed. I don't think there's anything to hold up anything like the ironclad Cosa lists, which will come into effect immediately after the referendum is passed (so everyone should prepare for that now!)
The Cosa will have 200 seats this upcoming term, and 20 after that.
#32
Wittenberg / Re: Cosă size reduction timer
Last post by Baron Alexandreu Davinescu - August 04, 2026, 05:27:14 PMThe Ziu affirmed a change, yes. But it also affirmed the requirement that a change to the size of the Ziu would happen after the clock ran.
#33
Wittenberg / Re: Cosă size reduction timer
Last post by Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP - August 04, 2026, 05:26:55 PMBut even if the amendment's changes enter into effect immediately rather than next year, would that mean the 63rd Cosă would have 20 seats? And what about the other changes to the Cosă's composition such as seat limits and iron-clad party lists, would they come into effect with the 63rd Cosă or the 64th? We've actually been debating this on the URL Discord and it seems the only thing we could agree on is that this stuff is confusing lol. I believe there is a lot of potential for confusion and grave misunderstandings here that we would be better avoiding at all costs, so it'd be practical to collectively agree on some sort of "timeline of events" beforehand.
#34
Wittenberg / Re: Cosă size reduction timer
Last post by Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP - August 04, 2026, 05:16:28 PMQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 04, 2026, 05:11:14 PMYour interpretation is spot-on, but that doesn't really have any bearing on what I'm saying. I'm saying that this was a change to the party seats that has been set by law, and that change happened with the passage of the statutory change earlier in the term. The Organic Law says that "such change" takes effect after a certain amount of time. That limit was just affirmed by the Ziu again.
What I'm saying is that the Ziu has actually affirmed a change of the baseline during the last Clark by passing the Democracy Act and Amendment, independent of any statutory changes that will enter into effect as per the relevant proviso sometime next year. After all, should the amendment pass its referendum, Org.IV.2.1.1 will say "The party seats shall total 20, [...]", with the rest being equal.
#35
Progressive Alliance / Re: Progressing Forward: Embas...
Last post by Baron Alexandreu Davinescu - August 04, 2026, 05:14:00 PMQuote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 04, 2026, 05:01:01 PMQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 04, 2026, 04:59:58 PMThanks! I got it stuck in my head the other way for some reason, and now I keep making that mistake.
You know who originally used to spell it that way? The guy who was its original editor, ESB
Do you think that's where I got it from? Maybe. Sometimes when you see a word for the first time, it sticks that way.
I was hanging out with a friend the other night, and she told me that equaniminous isn't a word. It's "equanimity" but "equanimous," without the extra syllable. But I can't get my head around it.
#36
Wittenberg / Re: Cosă size reduction timer
Last post by Baron Alexandreu Davinescu - August 04, 2026, 05:11:14 PMQuote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 04, 2026, 04:59:03 PMThis has nothing to do with annoyance. Just to be clear, here is the sentence in question:QuoteThe party seats shall total 200, or another number which may be set by law, with the provisos that any such change will not take effect until the next election following the passage of a calendar year; and that this number may never be less than twice the number of Senators minus one.
The way that IV.2.1.1 is phrased currently, the word "such" in the subordinate clause listing the provisos refers back to the directly preceding subordinate clause, not the whole sentence. Choosing to interpret that sentence in such a way that these provisos apply to all changes to the size of the Cosă instead of merely "such" change such as "another number which may be set by law" would risk rendering it ungrammatical to me. Amending this part of the OrgLaw is not merely setting "another number" "by law", but a direct modification of the baseline, and the provisos still would only apply to statutory law overriding that baseline.
Then again, maybe I'm not as good as English as I thought...!
Your interpretation is spot-on, but that doesn't really have any bearing on what I'm saying. I'm saying that this was a change to the party seats that has been set by law, and that change happened with the passage of the statutory change earlier in the term. The Organic Law says that "such change" takes effect after a certain amount of time. That limit was just affirmed by the Ziu again.
#37
Progressive Alliance / Re: Progressing Forward: Embas...
Last post by Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC - August 04, 2026, 05:01:01 PMQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 04, 2026, 04:59:58 PMThanks! I got it stuck in my head the other way for some reason, and now I keep making that mistake.
You know who originally used to spell it that way? The guy who was its original editor, ESB
#38
Wittenberg / Re: Cosă size reduction timer
Last post by Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC - August 04, 2026, 05:00:23 PMI am of the opinion that if we read the amendment in any way other than that the 62nd Cosa will be seated under 62nd Cosa rules, we are in for a world of hurt
#39
Progressive Alliance / Re: Progressing Forward: Embas...
Last post by Baron Alexandreu Davinescu - August 04, 2026, 04:59:58 PMThanks! I got it stuck in my head the other way for some reason, and now I keep making that mistake.
#40
Progressive Alliance / Re: Progressing Forward: Embas...
Last post by Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC - August 04, 2026, 04:59:14 PMQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 04, 2026, 04:19:57 PML'Chronica
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