Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 08:42:16 AMIt feels like the phone number is still a pretty important requirement to have. There are a couple of applications from the past couple of days to be processed, and I think the main way I would check their authenticity if I doubted them was to call their phone numbers. What are the changes that have happened in how people are reachable? I'm not 100% sure what that means.

Alright, then let's see what other people think.

QuoteSo the other change from the main bill is that you would need to sign off on the public halting of anyone's application process? That is a pretty dramatic change, S:reu Opposition Leader, because I'm not aware of much else in the law where the Opposition gets to share government powers. Could you tell me more what you mean by the carrot and the stick? Who is the donkey in the metaphor?

Not necessarily myself, or any other future Opposition Leader. Could be anyone. Could be Miestra, could be Iac Moritzescu. Anyone who shares the concerns of the Immigration Minister about a given prospective citizen. Interestingly enough, Immigration is actually one area that the Opposition has had a stake in before, the difference there being that back in the day it was only the Leader.
Also, to be clear, the donkey in the metaphor is an immigration process in need of accountability and transparency.

QuoteThe last thing I'll note is that your bill as written conflicts with the Public Process Act, so probably we will need to tweak it so that it can be considered alongside that.

As this bill does everything the Public Process Act does and then some, it renders the PPA redundant. On the upside, this means that I am certainly open to co-sponsorship from the Seneschal (as well as Sir Tafial) in return for dropping the PPA, to make sure credit is distributed as deserved. Unfortunately, with the Government's actions early in their tenure eroding what little trust they enjoyed among the wider Ziu, I do not believe the appetite exists from our side to engage in what I'll call "Wimpy-style dealmaking" ("I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today"), so I think it's best to try and work on a single compromise bill rather than to play hardball.

Quote from: King Txec on Yesterday at 11:44:08 AMIt's better now.

-Txec R

Then I did my job.

- MM

It's better now.

-Txec R

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 11:28:30 AM

Quote from: Mximo Malt on Yesterday at 11:27:03 AM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 11:26:15 AM

Quote from: King Txec on Yesterday at 11:18:34 AMWith regret, the Whereas clauses are so loaded with bias and possible untruths, if this bill were to make it to a vote in the Ziu as written, and should it pass, I will veto it. I mean seriously, you weren't even alive in 1979 so saying that President Carter ruled with an iron fist is extremely melodramatic.

There are citizens who were here during his rule and your clauses refute, without any direct knowledge, their experiences.

-Txec R

I actually understood that to be classic Talossan hyperbole.

Pardon?

That first whereas clause seemed to me to be a classic use of hyperbole, referring to our founding as freeing us from a tyrant when the person in question was not very tyrannical. We use that kind of language all the time when it comes to things like our founding.

So they've been using that since the beginning? If this dissatisfies His Majesty, I ought to change it. Otherwise, why bother talking about this at all?

Quote from: Mximo Malt on Yesterday at 11:27:03 AM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 11:26:15 AM

Quote from: King Txec on Yesterday at 11:18:34 AMWith regret, the Whereas clauses are so loaded with bias and possible untruths, if this bill were to make it to a vote in the Ziu as written, and should it pass, I will veto it. I mean seriously, you weren't even alive in 1979 so saying that President Carter ruled with an iron fist is extremely melodramatic.

There are citizens who were here during his rule and your clauses refute, without any direct knowledge, their experiences.

-Txec R

I actually understood that to be classic Talossan hyperbole.

Pardon?

That first whereas clause seemed to me to be a classic use of hyperbole, referring to our founding as freeing us from an iron fist when the person in question was not very tyrannical. We use that kind of language all the time when it comes to things like our founding.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 11:26:15 AM

Quote from: King Txec on Yesterday at 11:18:34 AMWith regret, the Whereas clauses are so loaded with bias and possible untruths, if this bill were to make it to a vote in the Ziu as written, and should it pass, I will veto it. I mean seriously, you weren't even alive in 1979 so saying that President Carter ruled with an iron fist is extremely melodramatic.

There are citizens who were here during his rule and your clauses refute, without any direct knowledge, their experiences.

-Txec R

I actually understood that to be classic Talossan hyperbole.

Pardon?

Quote from: King Txec on Yesterday at 11:18:34 AMWith regret, the Whereas clauses are so loaded with bias and possible untruths, if this bill were to make it to a vote in the Ziu as written, and should it pass, I will veto it. I mean seriously, you weren't even alive in 1979 so saying that President Carter ruled with an iron fist is extremely melodramatic.

There are citizens who were here during his rule and your clauses refute, without any direct knowledge, their experiences.

-Txec R

I actually understood that to be classic Talossan hyperbole.

On the bill, I would suggest that a good first step would be making a visitor's account for him, and reaching out to invite him to use it. And the bill could be a good barometer of the nation's openness to that.

With regret, the Whereas clauses are so loaded with bias and possible untruths, if this bill were to make it to a vote in the Ziu as written, and should it pass, I will veto it. I mean seriously, you weren't even alive in 1979 so saying that President Carter ruled with an iron fist is extremely melodramatic.

There are citizens who were here during his rule and your clauses refute, without any direct knowledge, their experiences.

-Txec R

Quote from: Mximo Malt on Yesterday at 11:07:37 AMAnd just who, pray tell, should I have asked?

The people who put their signature on this bill before you made these changes, perhaps. Or the Seneschal whom you want to chair a T&RC.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Yesterday at 11:06:54 AM

Quote from: Mximo Malt on Yesterday at 11:03:31 AMWell given the fact that the majority of subjects still resent him, I think it only be fair to change the method of restoring KR1's nationality.

That's not my point. I feel like you should've asked before making any sweeping changes like that.

And just who, pray tell, should I have asked?