Quote from: Béneditsch Ardpresteir on Yesterday at 03:36:41 AMIn fact, I'd like to co-sponsor the Bill, if possible.

Further, in the future I'd like to moot a bill wherein former Rulers are automatically granted a Dukedom.

-BenArd

Of course! And did you see that I requested arms?

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 07:55:24 AMPersonally, I would really rather we had another conversation with him before we got right to voting.

I wholeheartedly agree, which is why I will be voting against this bill unless and until such a conversation has been had and the air has been cleared.

I'd be interested in some of the following things, some of which people have already brought up:

Today, we are a very welcoming country to people of every belief and background. There have been multiple seneschals who are transgender, for example, and people have political beliefs that range from anarchist to conservative theocrat. Would you be comfortable living in peace with all and sundry?

Many people feel that you leaned very heavily on the law and others to try to maintain control of the country. Others have pointed out that you might feel that it was your creation to steer. Regardless of that, could you be a citizen among all citizens?

Our national language has evolved over time, and with some difficulty, our language committee has arrived at relative unity. Is that something you're okay with?

It feels like the phone number is still a pretty important requirement to have. There are a couple of applications from the past couple of days to be processed, and I think the main way I would check their authenticity if I doubted them was to call their phone numbers. What are the changes that have happened in how people are reachable? I'm not 100% sure what that means.

So the other change from the main bill is that you would need to sign off on the public halting of anyone's application process? That is a pretty dramatic change, S:reu Opposition Leader, because I'm not aware of much else in the law where the Opposition gets to share government powers. Could you tell me more what you mean by the carrot and the stick? Who is the donkey in the metaphor?


The last thing I'll note is that your bill as written conflicts with the Public Process Act, so probably we will need to tweak it so that it can be considered alongside that.

I am reluctant to jump right into this with both feet, since I think there's still a lot of raw feelings on both sides. However, maybe this is the start of something?

Personally, I would really rather we had another conversation with him before we got right to voting. I would be happy to authorize an account for him if he would be willing to come chat with us.

I would veto any bill that required me to grant any title of nobility to anyone. The granting of honors is a royal perogative. Even if Ben were to return, he will not receive any honors just because of who he once was.

-Txec R

In fact, I'd like to co-sponsor the Bill, if possible.

Further, in the future I'd like to moot a bill wherein former Rulers are automatically granted a Dukedom.

-BenArd

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on December 26, 2025, 10:23:35 AMOkay, but I was really first asking about the phone number thing. You don't explain that in the bill or anywhere else. Could you please unpack that for us?

Ah, you asked me to "explain any other differences that might exist", so I was focusing on the main functional difference between this bill and the PPA. Since this bill is deliberately intended as a compromise act that can safely count on the approval of the Ziu, obvious similarities with the PPA are to be expected.

The deletion of the phone number requirement is mostly due to changes over the years in how people are reachable; the previous Immigration Minister had even mentioned that this is likely an outdated requirement. It is also probably the least important change in the bill, so I am flexible on it if it means we can look at the rest of the bill.

Quote from: Xheralt Del'Encradeir on December 26, 2025, 02:54:11 PMWHY is there deletion of the user account?!  That is very unfriendly and not conducive for reapplication.  Say instead "Wittenberg access shall be restricted to the level of access permitted other non-citizens (Landing Pier, etc.)"

Deletion of the user account is not a change enacted by this law, to be clear. That appears to have been first put in place by 35RZ22, if not before even that. 35RZ22 was passed on the December 2005 Clark, so we've been doing things this way for 20 years now. If you think that's something we should look at, I'm ok with that, but I'd like to keep this bill focused if possible.

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Given that Talossa's transgender community is now large and prominent in public life, perhaps someone should ask Ben Madison whether he still holds to the absolute contempt he expressed for that community in previous decades.