The funny thing is I didn't say KR1 was a tyrant. Just made the point that even in Mximo's tradition, not all Kings are worthy of allegiance.

The technical term for how he operated would be "abusive bully and authoritarian". Imagine a country where the forms of multiparty democracy are intact, but the Head of State keeps up a constant stream of threatening invective and slander against opposition politicians, uses politicised investigations against them to drive them out of participation, and maintains a biased electoral system which gives his voting base proportionally unfair power.

Actually, if you're a US citizen, that shouldn't be hard to imagine LMAO.

Quote from: Max Maltezos on December 07, 2025, 05:52:40 PM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on December 07, 2025, 05:47:57 PMOkay, so he wasn't literally a tyrant, since for the latter part of Talossan history, he followed the forms of democracy and divided powers, and he never wielded authoritarian power with force.  We're using the term like many people do, to refer to someone who acts as a strongman and subverts the process of democracy in order to trample on the rights of others.

Well, heaven isn't a democracy...

If we had a state religion (theoretically), I would think that the Archbishop of Abbavilla would have the right to suspend or depose the King/Queen based upon his actions, but that would seem too theocratic...

And since Robert is a Christian now, I don't think he'd mind my philosophy. This is just my personal opinion.


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We don't have the same religion, but from what I understand of Christian heaven, it's full of angels.  And there's a famous quote by an American politician, James Madison, that addresses the distinction:

If Men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and the next place, oblige it to control itself.

Listen, Max is a theocrat who supports absolute monarchy through the divine right of kings.  I disagree with the vast majority of his politics, and I think he knows that.  But he seems to be a decent person who genuinely loves Talossa, and we have some common areas, and so we found a way to work together with a sharply circumscribed agreement.

The Progs do not have the same political differences from the URL, since we're much more aligned on our basic values.  If we entered into an agreement together, then I would expect that you would withdraw from such an agreement or begin blocking legislation if you felt that the actual things that happened were beyond bounds.  However, I suspect we'd actually be united at such a time.

I do not think it's beyond the pale to let the most enthusiastic user of our language in years work on promoting the language.  I think it makes obvious sense.  But if you're in doubt, then I urge you to hold us accountable, whether you're looking from the outside or part of the conversation in Cabinet.

We're still ready and willing to talk, if you guys are up for it.  I think you'll find that I'm open to just about any approach, even if we have to work out the fine details: some support contingent on specific policy promises, representation in the Government so you can be a voice in the room and help guide Talossa, or whatever else.

We really did mean it when we said we wanted to work with everybody.*

*still not Breneir tho, dude's gotta apologize for real

Quote from: Max Maltezos on December 07, 2025, 05:52:40 PMWell, heaven isn't a democracy...

Talossa is, and should continue to be one.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on December 07, 2025, 05:47:57 PMOkay, so he wasn't literally a tyrant, since for the latter part of Talossan history, he followed the forms of democracy and divided powers, and he never wielded authoritarian power with force.  We're using the term like many people do, to refer to someone who acts as a strongman and subverts the process of democracy in order to trample on the rights of others.

Well, heaven isn't a democracy...

If we had a state religion (theoretically), I would think that the Archbishop of Abbavilla would have the right to suspend or depose the King/Queen based upon his actions, but that would seem too theocratic...

And since Robert is a Christian now, I don't think he'd mind my philosophy. This is just my personal opinion.


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PS: I mean no disrespect to the Seneschal, I merely rebuke to show errors. And you may reply here or DM me to join.


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Okay, so he wasn't literally a tyrant, since for the latter part of Talossan history, he followed the forms of democracy and divided powers, and he never wielded authoritarian power with force.  We're using the term like many people do, to refer to someone who acts as a strongman and subverts the process of democracy in order to trample on the rights of others.

COMUNICADA UFICIAL DAL PARTI

¡Clamind toct Talossaes!

Füt dacuort da þüsteriă 'nel Regipäts parç q'el Seneschal creava das renviuns in quálsevol sint efixhat com'ün rebel qe desira avolar el gouvernamaintsch es me coronificar com'el Regeu.

Acest non put estar piusutra da vrätsità.

Com'el cäps dal parti, éu put zirar qe non desiréu avolar el gouvernamaintsch, mas propi o miglhoriçar.

Desiréu invitar toct els Talossaes qe pensent q'el Regipäts neceßa "feischar din", com'el pleps qi sint da va xhenitour, entrar 'nel parti.

VERZIUN ANGLEASCĂ

Calling all Talossans!

There has recently been some hysteria in the Kingdom because the Prime Minister has created an environment in which I am portrayed as a rebel who wishes to abolish the government and crown myself King.

This can't be further from the truth.

As Head of the Party, I can say that I do not wish to abolish the government, but rather improve it.

I wish to invite all Talossans who think that the Kingdom needs to "lock in", as people who are my age say, to join the party.

Deo, Regi, Patriaeque!

+++ MISM +++

I'm not speaking for the URL collectively here (the issue hasn't even got back to our Comità, we're too busy being outraged on here), but I wonder how you think a party whose self-definition is "the Party of Talossan Democracy" could possibly vote confidence in a government including people who literally oppose Talossan democracy. Voting confidence/supply in a single-party PA government would not pose problems like this.

Of course given the Senäts numbers there is room for discussion on legislation.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on December 07, 2025, 05:08:22 PMAs an example: for many years, he controlled a personal bloc of votes from citizens only he knew.  He would announce how they'd voted, and use this power to swing elections.

I wouldn't view that as tyranny...it seems more like nepotism in my interpretation. I'm sure he was a good leader nonetheless besides this. Madame PM, I do not in any way condone this, but I'm just saying we need to be slow to make a conclusion about someone.


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