Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 03, 2026, 06:51:09 PM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 03, 2026, 06:46:11 PMI think you could make that case for sure if that provision had been removed from the Organic Law, but we made sure to keep it in and it refers to laws in general. This was even discussed during the drafting process specifically, with regards to what effect it would have on the clock - it didn't reset the clock, but neither did it eliminate the clock.

No, this was in reference to something else. I was asking whether specifically renumbering Lexh.H.4.1.1 would reset the clock, and came to an understanding that it didn't. Enshrining the 20-seat Cosă into the OrgLaw was something I insisted on pretty much at the tail end of the drafting process, and personally I had assumed that all amendments enter into effect immediately after the appropriate referendum passes, and that the one-year delay refers exclusively to statutory changes -- if it didnt, the word "such" in "with the provisos that any such change" wouldn't make much sense to me, though this could be a language barrier thing.

EDIT: I don't mean to kick off a debate in this thread, I was moreso wondering about the precise wording of the referendum question, and whether that's all legally sound. As far as I understand it as a non-lawyer it wouldn't be, and I wanted to direct attention to it to clear up potential misunderstandings.

I think it's a great question. I understand where it's coming from! In my opinion, it's hard to read "law" in such a way that it doesn't include the Organic Law, though, and I wouldn't quite understand how to make it that way so that the proviso doesn't apply.

I also think you're right that we probably shouldn't chat about it more on this thread. @Sir Lüc , would you split off the last few posts please into their own thread?

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 03, 2026, 06:46:11 PMI think you could make that case for sure if that provision had been removed from the Organic Law, but we made sure to keep it in and it refers to laws in general. This was even discussed during the drafting process specifically, with regards to what effect it would have on the clock - it didn't reset the clock, but neither did it eliminate the clock.

No, this was in reference to something else. I was asking whether specifically renumbering Lexh.H.4.1.1 would reset the clock, and came to an understanding that it didn't. Enshrining the 20-seat Cosă into the OrgLaw was something I insisted on pretty much at the tail end of the drafting process, and personally I had assumed that all amendments enter into effect immediately after the appropriate referendum passes, and that the one-year delay refers exclusively to statutory changes -- if it didnt, the word "such" in "with the provisos that any such change" wouldn't make much sense to me, though this could be a language barrier thing.

EDIT: I don't mean to kick off a debate in this thread, I was moreso wondering about the precise wording of the referendum question, and whether that's all legally sound. As far as I understand it as a non-lawyer it wouldn't be, and I wanted to direct attention to it to clear up potential misunderstandings.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 03, 2026, 04:50:32 PMI have a question about the referendum on 62RZ26.

It mentions that the reduction of the Cosă's size to 20 seats would only take effect after February 2027, which is the timeline set forth from the Pseudo-Real Cosă Act. However, since 62RZ26 is an amendment, and the delayed effect of Cosă size changes only applies to changes made via statute (at least that's how Org.IV.2.1 reads to me), is it not rather the case that, were the referendum to pass, the size change would go into effect immediately?

I think you could make that case for sure if that provision had been removed from the Organic Law, but we made sure to keep it in and it refers to laws in general. This was even discussed during the drafting process specifically, with regards to what effect it would have on the clock - it didn't reset the clock, but neither did it eliminate the clock.

I have a question about the referendum on 62RZ26.

It mentions that the reduction of the Cosă's size to 20 seats would only take effect after February 2027, which is the timeline set forth from the Pseudo-Real Cosă Act. However, since 62RZ26 is an amendment, and the delayed effect of Cosă size changes only applies to changes made via statute (at least that's how Org.IV.2.1 reads to me), is it not rather the case that, were the referendum to pass, the size change would go into effect immediately?

Miestra Schiva is a candidate for the Praisideu.

50 words:
Fiova has the very best, directly democratic constitution of all the Provinces. It's a tragedy we don't use it more. Give me your (1) vote for leadership, and use your other preferences to choose the Fiovans who most want to DO things.

GROUP 5
4 - Desireless - Voyage, Voyage
3 - Toto - Africa
2 - Fleetwood Mac - The Chain
1 - Derek & the Dominos - Layla

GROUP 6
4 - The Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want
3 - Supertramp - Breakfast in America
2 - Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)
1 - Prozac+ - Acida

I kind of surprised myself by some of these rankings, but I'm sticking to it. Ever since hearing the acoustic version on Anthology, I've been unable to properly appreciate the full band version of While my guitar gently weeps. I don't know why. Being a certified Beatles fanatic, it's a capital offense in some circles, I'm sure.

We will vote on groups two at a time (although you can vote on only one of the groups if you want). Each voting period will last three days (72 hours). Votes cast after that will not be accepted, with the exception that we will always keep going until we have at least three votes per group.

Give your top four songs 4, 3, 2, and 1 points, respectively. You must give points to exactly four songs.

GROUP 5
Derek & the Dominos - Layla
Desireless - Voyage, Voyage
Eagles - Lyin' Eyes
Fleetwood Mac - The Chain
Muse - Knights of Cydonia
Peter Gabriel - My Body is a Cage
Teho Teardo and Blixa Bargeld - A Quiet Life
The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil
Toto - Africa
Wombo - Dreamsickle


GROUP 6
B-52's - Legal Tender
Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)
Het Goede Doel - België (Is er leven op Pluto ...)
New Order - Blue Monday
Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train
Paul McCartney & Eric Clapton - While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Prozac+ - Acida
Supertramp - Breakfast in America
The Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want
Tony Bennett - I Left My Heart in San Francisco


Tiebreakers:
- Number of voters giving 4 points
- Number of voters giving 3 points
- Number of voters giving 2 points
- Last year's result (1 > 2 > ... > 20 > Round 4 > Round 3 > Round 2 > other)
- PPV in Round 1 (if applicable)
- Rank in Round 1 (if applicable)
- Year first nominated (special edition > earlier > later)
- Random chance

8 voters again

GROUP 5
1. Take Five - 13 _{(2 voters giving 4 points)}
2. Starman - 13 _{(1 voter giving 4 points)}
3. Take Me Out - 13 _{(0 voters giving 4 points)}
4. You Give Love a Bad Name - 8 _{(2 voters giving 4 points, 2017 nomination)}
5. Such a Shame - 8 _{(2 voters giving 4 points, new nomination)}
6. I'm Still Standing - 8 _{(0 voters giving 4 points)}
7. September - 5
8. Energy Flow - 4 _{(1 voter giving 4 points)}
9. Walk - 4 _{(0 voters giving 4 points, 2 voters giving 2 points)}
10. Don't Stop Me Now - 4 _{(0 voters giving 4 points, 0 voters giving 2 points)}

GROUP 6
1. Telegraph Road - 16
2. Ring of Fire - 11
3. Wuthering Heights - 10 _{(1 voter giving 2 points)}
4. Hurt - 10 _{(0 voters giving 2 points)}
5. Under Pressure - 8 _{(1 voter giving 4 points)}
6. Rock the Casbah - 8 _{(0 voters giving 4 points)}
7. Zitti e Buoni - 6 _{(1 voter giving 4 points)}
8. The Gambler - 6 _{(0 voters giving 4 points)}
9. Papaoutai - 3
10. No More I Love You's - 2

Jon Bon Jovi's Talossan name would be Ian Ben Ian. Just wanted to point this out.


(Would this be considered a Bad Name?)

Two strong groups

GROUP 3
4 - Bon Jovi - You Give Love a Bad Name
3 - Franz Ferdinand - Take Me Out
2 - Foo Fighters - Walk
1 - Queen - Don't Stop Me Now

GROUP 4
4 - Måneskin - Zitti e Buoni
3 - Kenny Rogers - The Gambler
2 - The Clash - Rock the Casbah
1 - Queen & David Bowie - Under Pressure