Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 29, 2026, 12:28:59 PM

Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on August 29, 2026, 12:07:03 PM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 29, 2026, 10:46:52 AM

Quote from: Glüc on August 29, 2026, 04:30:39 AMIt might be actually good for Talossa to have both of them in government for a term. If Miestra and AD formed a party together I'd vote for that I think.

<soapbox>If this isn't an argument against party-based voting and in favour of direct candidate-based voting, I don't know what is.</soapbox>

The party based voting is actually an individual based vote. Everyone knows who basically runs each party and they are voting for that person to lead his/her party in the direction they feel is correct.

What I mean is, in the current system there is no option to vote for both AD and Miestra if you like them both. You are given a limited set of choices instead, and forced to choose between those and only those. It stifles cross-partisan dialog and supports hackery.

I agree with Marcel that the current voting system could be improved. I wish that we could increase elements of direct democracy and reduce the control of political parties with more independent politicians though.

Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on August 29, 2026, 12:07:03 PM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 29, 2026, 10:46:52 AM

Quote from: Glüc on August 29, 2026, 04:30:39 AMIt might be actually good for Talossa to have both of them in government for a term. If Miestra and AD formed a party together I'd vote for that I think.

<soapbox>If this isn't an argument against party-based voting and in favour of direct candidate-based voting, I don't know what is.</soapbox>

The party based voting is actually an individual based vote. Everyone knows who basically runs each party and they are voting for that person to lead his/her party in the direction they feel is correct.

What I mean is, in the current system there is no option to vote for both AD and Miestra if you like them both. You are given a limited set of choices instead, and forced to choose between those and only those. It stifles cross-partisan dialog and supports hackery.

Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on August 29, 2026, 12:08:41 PM

Quote from: Sir Lüc on August 29, 2026, 10:23:39 AMWell, major shocker!

Tadej Pogacar just crashed out of TCAT Spain with 30km remaining in what was supposed to be a mostly uneventful and boring sprint stage. Other riders also went down but got up quickly, except for MAN's Tulett, who seemed to take quite a hit (unsure how he is doing atm)

According to PCS, this is the first stage race Pogacar abandons in his whole pro career, out of 51 he started, and just the second time he wears a leader's jersey but doesn't end up winning a stage race.

This definitely hands a huge chance to Cjovani to win their second TCAT edition, with REX also sure to have an easier time lifting off the bottom of the standings now that everyone else is without their star rider.

Does this mean he is done for the rest of the race or just this stage?

Rest of the race, with the world championships coming up in three weeks in major doubt.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on August 29, 2026, 10:23:39 AMWell, major shocker!

Tadej Pogacar just crashed out of TCAT Spain with 30km remaining in what was supposed to be a mostly uneventful and boring sprint stage. Other riders also went down but got up quickly, except for MAN's Tulett, who seemed to take quite a hit (unsure how he is doing atm)

According to PCS, this is the first stage race Pogacar abandons in his whole pro career, out of 51 he started, and just the second time he wears a leader's jersey but doesn't end up winning a stage race.

This definitely hands a huge chance to Cjovani to win their second TCAT edition, with REX also sure to have an easier time lifting off the bottom of the standings now that everyone else is without their star rider.

Does this mean he is done for the rest of the race or just this stage?

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 29, 2026, 10:46:52 AM

Quote from: Glüc on August 29, 2026, 04:30:39 AMIt might be actually good for Talossa to have both of them in government for a term. If Miestra and AD formed a party together I'd vote for that I think.

<soapbox>If this isn't an argument against party-based voting and in favour of direct candidate-based voting, I don't know what is.</soapbox>

The party based voting is actually an individual based vote. Everyone knows who basically runs each party and they are voting for that person to lead his/her party in the direction they feel is correct.

Quote from: Glüc on August 29, 2026, 04:30:39 AMIt might be actually good for Talossa to have both of them in government for a term. If Miestra and AD formed a party together I'd vote for that I think.

<soapbox>If this isn't an argument against party-based voting and in favour of direct candidate-based voting, I don't know what is.</soapbox>

Well, major shocker!

Tadej Pogacar just crashed out of TCAT Spain with 30km remaining in what was supposed to be a mostly uneventful and boring sprint stage. Other riders also went down but got up quickly, except for MAN's Tulett, who seemed to take quite a hit (unsure how he is doing atm)

According to PCS, this is the first stage race Pogacar abandons in his whole pro career, out of 51 he started, and just the second time he wears a leader's jersey but doesn't end up winning a stage race.

This definitely hands a huge chance to Cjovani to win their second TCAT edition, with REX also sure to have an easier time lifting off the bottom of the standings now that everyone else is without their star rider.

Pogacar abandon!!! He crashed and is unable to continue. He was sure to win otherwise. Thats gonna have some impact

I think that Miestra and I could work together pretty easily, Tric'hard. Both of us are in a similar position, sharing a lot of macronational political values and a similar approach, and both of us eager for others to take charge but unwilling to let our goals die due to neglect.

The election has been fairly low key, Gluc, I agree - to Progressive detriment, actually, since we do better with higher turnout.

Quote from: Glüc on August 29, 2026, 04:30:39 AMFwiw I don't know how I'm going to vote yet. (Other than not Breneir of course. And probably not GP either because Im not really convinced yet they are not just Breneir with a fake mustache)

On another note Ive seen people wonder whether people are really just voting for URL because they want to keep out the Progressives or the other way round, but I'm kinda the opposite. It might be actually good for Talossa to have both of them in government for a term. If Miestra and AD formed a party together I'd vote for that I think.

It is Crement who I have to thank for encouraging me to make an unqualified apology and to not take the repeated baiting from Miestra and sometimes Iac seriously. And to let the Green Party move beyond me. All of those are good things in my opinion and speak well to his judgement. I have no control over the party's future direction and am no longer even in the party Discord.

On your last note, we did just have a term where the URL and PA had an informal confidence and supply agreement for most of the term. The Green Party (as the third largest party) served as official opposition for most of the term. Considering that it would not be an unexpected development.