[PASSED] The Seneschal Uber-Active Clarification Act

Started by Breneir Tzaracomprada, February 08, 2024, 04:42:51 PM

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Whereas, it has come to the attention of learned officials that a certain section of Title D may need clarification, and

Whereas, when it concerns the ability of the Seneschal do any and all cabinet jobs it may indeed be prudent.

Therefore, be it enacted by the Ziu of the Kingdom of Talossa, that El Lexhatx Title D 2.1 which currently reads as:

QuoteD2.1. The Seneschal (in english, Prime Minister), heading the Prüma Ministrà (in english, Prime Ministry), is responsible for the overall operation and performance of the government, and shall perform all duties assigned to his office by Organic Law. All other Cabinet officers are appointed by the Seneschal, serve at his pleasure, are responsible to him, and derive their powers from him. Accordingly, anything that any Minister can do (officially), the Seneschal may (if he desires) do himself.

is amended to read as follows:

Quote2.1. The Seneschal (in english, Prime Minister), heading the Prüma Ministrà (in english, Prime Ministry), is responsible for the overall operation and performance of the government, and shall perform all duties assigned to his office by Organic Law. All other Cabinet officers are appointed by the Seneschal, serve at his pleasure, are responsible to him, and derive their powers from him. The Seneschal may perform any official act on behalf of his ministers. The Seneschal may also at any time designate a deputy minister to be Acting Minister, until the Seneschal or the Minister for whom they are acting publicly declare otherwise, or the Minister for whom they are acting is dismissed.

Uréu q'estadra så
Breneir Tzaracomprada (MC-TNC)
Sir Lüc da Schir (MC-IND-FreeDems)



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Sir Lüc

I would probably replace the old weirdly-worded bit with a broad provision that the Seneschal may perform any official act on behalf of their ministers; and the latter new part with a new, explicit provision that the Seneschal may at any time name a Deputy Minister to be Acting Minister, until the Seneschal or the absentee Minister publicly declare otherwise, or the absentee Minister is dismissed. (The ability of the Seneschal to appoint a Deputy Minister would be implied by the first bit anyway.)
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Lüc on February 09, 2024, 04:58:42 AMI would probably replace the old weirdly-worded bit with a broad provision that the Seneschal may perform any official act on behalf of their ministers; and the latter new part with a new, explicit provision that the Seneschal may at any time name a Deputy Minister to be Acting Minister, until the Seneschal or the absentee Minister publicly declare otherwise, or the absentee Minister is dismissed. (The ability of the Seneschal to appoint a Deputy Minister would be implied by the first bit anyway.)

Thanks @Sir Lüc I have edited just so.
Would you be interested in co-sponsoring again?
I am growing accustomed to co-sponsoring with you.


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Sir Lüc

There's a small thing that needs fixing, D.2.1 doesn't read as it currently stands on the bill, that's only the final sentence. Otherwise I'd say this version works, sign me up.
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Directeur Sportif, Gordon Hiatus Support Team

In my free time:
Túischac'h dal Cosă / Speaker of the Cosa
Wittmeister & Permanent Secretary of Backend Admin / Secretar Parmanint per l'Aðmistraziun del Backend
Deputy Scribe of Abbavilla / Distain Grefieir d'Abbavillă

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Lüc on February 19, 2024, 08:15:26 AMThere's a small thing that needs fixing, D.2.1 doesn't read as it currently stands on the bill, that's only the final sentence. Otherwise I'd say this version works, sign me up.
Thanks Lüc, edited and add you as a co-sponsor.


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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Thanks again @Sir Lüc
When you are able, this final bill is ready to be moved to the CRL.


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Sir Lüc

Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Directeur Sportif, Gordon Hiatus Support Team

In my free time:
Túischac'h dal Cosă / Speaker of the Cosa
Wittmeister & Permanent Secretary of Backend Admin / Secretar Parmanint per l'Aðmistraziun del Backend
Deputy Scribe of Abbavilla / Distain Grefieir d'Abbavillă

Breneir Tzaracomprada



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Breneir Tzaracomprada

@Sir Lüc and @Ian Plätschisch
I think the SoS may need for one or both of you to explicitly indicate your approval. Sorry Luc, I know you are a co-sponsor but I wanted to be safe.


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Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

This bill cannot be clarked until it has the approval of the CRL.
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Sir Lüc

Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Directeur Sportif, Gordon Hiatus Support Team

In my free time:
Túischac'h dal Cosă / Speaker of the Cosa
Wittmeister & Permanent Secretary of Backend Admin / Secretar Parmanint per l'Aðmistraziun del Backend
Deputy Scribe of Abbavilla / Distain Grefieir d'Abbavillă

Ian Plätschisch

For consistency, either "The Seneschal may perform any official act on behalf of their ministers" should be changed to "The Seneschal may perform any official act on behalf of his ministers", or all of the "he"s and "him"s in the rest of the section should be changed.

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on February 25, 2024, 08:40:55 PMFor consistency, either "The Seneschal may perform any official act on behalf of their ministers" should be changed to "The Seneschal may perform any official act on behalf of his ministers", or all of the "he"s and "him"s in the rest of the section should be changed.

Thanks Ian. Change made.


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Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal