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Started by Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC, June 06, 2021, 06:29:51 PM

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Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

... if Talossan politics would be funnier if we made the Organic Law part of statute law. Israel gets on fine* without a constitution, and it opens up hilarious possibilities like, in 2014, Bibi Netanyahu didn't like the incoming President of the State, so he floated a move to simply abolish the Presidency (didn't get very far).

* your definition of "fine" may vary

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The UK gets on fine* without a written constitution, where the "constitution" is whatever parliament says it is.


* your definition of "fine" may vary
Eovart Grischun S.H.

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Former Distain and Cabinet Minister

esbornatfiglheu

I've thought of this as well, or something similar.  What if the orglaw had a sunset clause that necessitates a new convention every decade or such?  Talossa is never more active than when it is reinventing itself.

Ián Tamorán S.H.

Quote from: Eðo Grischun on June 07, 2021, 09:47:33 AM
The UK gets on fine* without a written constitution, where the "constitution" is whatever parliament says it is.

* your definition of "fine" may vary

It is in my lifetime that we got rid of the last clause of Magna Carta (year 1215) from British law. It was not a constitution, but an historic basis for many of our laws, over centuries.

I am a beekeeper, and some of the laws in that are from pre-Magna Carta, and seem to date from the reign of William The Conqueror (1066 and all that). So, for example, a swarm belongs to anyone who collects it, not the landowner where the swarm alighted. The tradition of "Telling the bees" predates even that - but that's not law, so it's not relevant here. <grin>
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Quote from: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 07, 2021, 09:53:51 AM
I've thought of this as well, or something similar.  What if the orglaw had a sunset clause that necessitates a new convention every decade or such?  Talossa is never more active than when it is reinventing itself.
How Jeffersonian! Things would certain improve in a lot of ways, but I don't think governments could handle that much cyclical instability. But then again we are Talossa so who knows if it would actually work here.
F. I. Lux, Minister of Interior

esbornatfiglheu

Quote from: Françal I. Lux on June 26, 2021, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 07, 2021, 09:53:51 AM
I've thought of this as well, or something similar.  What if the orglaw had a sunset clause that necessitates a new convention every decade or such?  Talossa is never more active than when it is reinventing itself.
How Jeffersonian! Things would certain improve in a lot of ways, but I don't think governments could handle that much cyclical instability. But then again we are Talossa so who knows if it would actually work here.

And that's part of the issue!  A macronational government would most likely struggle deeply with this.  However, it just might work for Talossa and be a vital part of what keep this a living tradition as opposed to a museum piece or the remnants of an internet club.

But we just don't know.

Françal I. Lux

Quote from: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 27, 2021, 08:42:00 AM
Quote from: Françal I. Lux on June 26, 2021, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 07, 2021, 09:53:51 AM
I've thought of this as well, or something similar.  What if the orglaw had a sunset clause that necessitates a new convention every decade or such?  Talossa is never more active than when it is reinventing itself.
How Jeffersonian! Things would certain improve in a lot of ways, but I don't think governments could handle that much cyclical instability. But then again we are Talossa so who knows if it would actually work here.

And that's part of the issue!  A macronational government would most likely struggle deeply with this.  However, it just might work for Talossa and be a vital part of what keep this a living tradition as opposed to a museum piece or the remnants of an internet club.

But we just don't know.
I definitely see your point. We are most active when a change in our traditions are on the line. A decade is also a really long time in Talossa so it might just work. Plus, it might just bring back the people who's lost interest a while ago.

That being said, I doubt our more conservative citizens would go along with it. Any type of changes to the way things are always met with criticism which I guess is to be expected.

What an idea though! I've always thought about what would actually happen if the US constitution had this type of cyclical "refresh" every 25 years or so—dissolution probably lol
F. I. Lux, Minister of Interior

anglatzara

Quote from: Françal I. Lux on June 27, 2021, 02:02:22 PM
Quote from: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 27, 2021, 08:42:00 AM
Quote from: Françal I. Lux on June 26, 2021, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 07, 2021, 09:53:51 AM
I've thought of this as well, or something similar.  What if the orglaw had a sunset clause that necessitates a new convention every decade or such?  Talossa is never more active than when it is reinventing itself.
How Jeffersonian! Things would certain improve in a lot of ways, but I don't think governments could handle that much cyclical instability. But then again we are Talossa so who knows if it would actually work here.

And that's part of the issue!  A macronational government would most likely struggle deeply with this.  However, it just might work for Talossa and be a vital part of what keep this a living tradition as opposed to a museum piece or the remnants of an internet club.

But we just don't know.
I definitely see your point. We are most active when a change in our traditions are on the line. A decade is also a really long time in Talossa so it might just work. Plus, it might just bring back the people who's lost interest a while ago.

That being said, I doubt our more conservative citizens would go along with it. Any type of changes to the way things are always met with criticism which I guess is to be expected.

What an idea though! I've always thought about what would actually happen if the US constitution had this type of cyclical "refresh" every 25 years or so—dissolution probably lol

I think it's an excellent idea. This is exactly the function that elections have. To be perfectly honest, there are extreme limitations to what a Talossan government can actually do and enforce, the elections in themselves are the main reason for holding them. It would be the same with constitutional conventions. And ten years is a very long time in Talossa.