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Started by Bråneu Excelsio, UrN, June 28, 2022, 02:28:57 PM

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Bråneu Excelsio, UrN

Azul! I'm currently a Prospective Citizen, eager to get approved as a citizen.
I have read about the Provinces and have seen the posts in their forums.
Which got me thinking... what is the best Province for me and how can I become a part of it?
Is the action of joining a Province inherently political?


About me:

I'm a person who loves nature and silence but find that the best way to transcend is to to be helpful to others.
A tireless defensor of the outcasts and the freedom to be whom you want to be.
About Politics, I'm afraid I can't take sides yet.

Cheers and thanks in advance to all the kind people who answers to this post.

Bråneu Excelsio
Minister of Defence. COFFEE founder.

Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

Your province is decided based on where you live. According to El Lexhatx (our legal code), continental Central America is assigned to Maricopa, so should you gain citizenship you will automatically be made a citizen of Maricopa Province. Relevant legal text if you like that sort of thing

This means that the answer to your second question is no -- everyone has a province, there's no "picking sides" so much as it is "your side has been picked for you", so it's a pretty neutral thing politically.

As for politics -- you can't take sides yet (which is totally reasonable), but it's worth noting sides can't take you either. Political parties attempting to court prospective citizens is known as broosking and is at best considered highly unethical.
"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to god." - Thomas Jefferson

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, but your government only when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

"Democracy is not a tearing down; it is a building up. ... It does not destroy; it fulfills. It is the consummation of all theories of government, the spirit of which all the nations of the earth must yield. It is the great constructive course of the ages." - Calvin Coolidge

Bråneu Excelsio, UrN

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, MoFA on June 28, 2022, 09:19:03 PM
Your province is decided based on where you live. According to El Lexhatx (our legal code), continental Central America is assigned to Maricopa, so should you gain citizenship you will automatically be made a citizen of Maricopa Province. Relevant legal text if you like that sort of thing

þaraþiăs!
Reading El Lexhatx I found out a little thingy. The final line about the province of Maricopa says
Quote"Overseas, the nations of South America (except Brazil) and all of continental Central America."

I don't want to be that guy and I think you're absolutely right, living in Mexico I shall be asigned to Maricopa Province. But Mexico is actually North America too, not South nor Central America, and Mexico isn't mentioned anywhere in the text either.




I believe it's just a little thing worth bringing up since people in Mexico are often a little offended when people around the world (specially up north) say that it is a Central America Country (not my case, I know it's not something demeaning lol).

And personally I want to thank you for redirecting me to the Immigration appendix, it's really helpful.  ;D
Minister of Defence. COFFEE founder.

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

#3
Hi there and welcome!  You will be assigned to Fiova, just to clear up the legal stuff.  During Reunision, Fiova was made the new default province for just this sort of situation.  Mexico is not included in any other territorial assignments, and Lexh.D.7.11 specifies "and all nations of the world not included elsewhere" as part of Fiova's catchment area.
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Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

Quote from: Bråneu Excelsio on June 28, 2022, 10:10:03 PM
þaraþiăs!
Reading El Lexhatx I found out a little thingy. The final line about the province of Maricopa says
Quote"Overseas, the nations of South America (except Brazil) and all of continental Central America."

I don't want to be that guy and I think you're absolutely right, living in Mexico I shall be asigned to Maricopa Province. But Mexico is actually North America too, not South nor Central America, and Mexico isn't mentioned anywhere in the text either.

I believe it's just a little thing worth bringing up since people in Mexico are often a little offended when people around the world (specially up north) say that it is a Central America Country (not my case, I know it's not something demeaning lol).

I stand corrected! I appreciate you recognizing an honest mistake when you see one, though. In that case, AD is right, you would be assigned to Fiova, since Mexico is not explicitly assigned to any other province. Although since Maricopa's territory outside of Wisconsin would be one contiguous area if it included Mexico, it feels a little odd that it does not.

This then leads me to question -- how on earth did we fail to explicitly assign Mexico to a province when El Lex was being written? It's not like it's some small, obscure country that didn't exist when the law was written. Feels like a weird oversight IMO.
"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to god." - Thomas Jefferson

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, but your government only when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

"Democracy is not a tearing down; it is a building up. ... It does not destroy; it fulfills. It is the consummation of all theories of government, the spirit of which all the nations of the earth must yield. It is the great constructive course of the ages." - Calvin Coolidge

Sir Lüc

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, MoFA on June 29, 2022, 01:46:25 AM
This then leads me to question -- how on earth did we fail to explicitly assign Mexico to a province when El Lex was being written? It's not like it's some small, obscure country that didn't exist when the law was written. Feels like a weird oversight IMO.

It appears to be my fault.

Back when I wrote 49RZ8, the redistricting plan that's currently in force a short six-years-and-a-bit ago, I intended Mexico to be included within Maricopa. (Case in point, Dan Txechescu is a Maricopan.) It's been a while but I imagine I considered Mexico to be Central America, and nobody corrected me back then.

Man, do I hate that bill even more now.
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Secretary of State / Secretar d'Estat

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Big complicated bills are big and complicated! I think pretty much anyone who's ever had the grit to tackle a big task like that has made similar small mistakes. Don't beat yourself up!
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ESTO·BENIGNUS·ESTO· FORTIS·VERUM·QUAERE

                   

Sir Lüc

Ah, but it's not just about the content. The way I handled that bill when I wrote and passed it was not ideal, to say the least. So yeah, this may be a minor error, but if I already regretted writing that bill the way I did, this doesn't help.
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Secretary of State / Secretar d'Estat

Iason Taiwos

You could assign Mexico to Benito so we can start claiming the province is named after Juarez and not Mussolini...

Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

Quote from: Iason Taiwos on July 15, 2022, 02:07:54 PM
You could assign Mexico to Benito so we can start claiming the province is named after Juarez and not Mussolini...

I'd be lying if I said I hadn't wanted to simply make this claim anyway. Infinitely better, not that the bar is high.
"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to god." - Thomas Jefferson

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, but your government only when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

"Democracy is not a tearing down; it is a building up. ... It does not destroy; it fulfills. It is the consummation of all theories of government, the spirit of which all the nations of the earth must yield. It is the great constructive course of the ages." - Calvin Coolidge

Bråneu Excelsio, UrN

#10
Quote from: Iason Taiwos on July 15, 2022, 02:07:54 PM
You could assign Mexico to Benito so we can start claiming the province is named after Juarez and not Mussolini...

I'm not sure about Juarez haha, since a lot of mexicans think of him as a persona non grata in half the northern Mexico states. (Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon, Coahuila)
Minister of Defence. COFFEE founder.

Bråneu Excelsio, UrN

Quote from: Bråneu Excelsio on July 15, 2022, 03:14:35 PM
I'm not sure about Juarez haha, since a lot of mexicans think of him as a persona non grata in half the northern Mexico states. (Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon, Coahuila)

Nevermind, we're used to see his face everyday in every way possible. Even if that means confusing the smallest and the secong biggest bill there is.
Minister of Defence. COFFEE founder.