[ABANDONED] The Separate Ways Act

Started by Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be, January 14, 2025, 01:23:18 AM

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Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 20, 2025, 10:16:28 AMI wonder about the requirement that an MC may only move from one party to another once, though.  Does that infringe on the right to free political association?  What do you think?

Given the choice between the two things this bill has always attempted to balance -- namely, "the right to political association" vs. "the right of the voters to know what they're voting for ahead of time" -- I would argue that mild restrictions on the former such as those created by this bill are the more acceptable.
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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

I think it's great for voters to know what they're voting for, but only one of those two things you're balancing is in the Covenants.
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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Trying to think of what might make this work.... Maybe it would be simpler just to make a rule saying that a person lost their seats when they left their party?
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Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 21, 2025, 12:44:56 AMTrying to think of what might make this work.... Maybe it would be simpler just to make a rule saying that a person lost their seats when they left their party?

Something to the effect of "resignation of one's party affiliation shall be held to include resignation of one's seats"?
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"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, but your government only when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Yes, maybe?  Not sure how I feel about that or if I'd vote for it, but an OrgLaw amendment to that effect might be the simplest route to your goal.
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Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

I would be interested in hearing what others think about that path. Rather a large change from what I had in mind, but does protect the voters' results while also enforcing party discipline a bit more strongly than I had envisioned.
"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to god." - Thomas Jefferson

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, but your government only when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

"Democracy is not a tearing down; it is a building up. ... It does not destroy; it fulfills. It is the consummation of all theories of government, the spirit of which all the nations of the earth must yield. It is the great constructive course of the ages." - Calvin Coolidge

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Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 22, 2025, 01:10:27 PMI would be interested in hearing what others think about that path. Rather a large change from what I had in mind, but does protect the voters' results while also enforcing party discipline a bit more strongly than I had envisioned.

I don't support that path. We've long held that once assigned the seats are with the MC. I think hewing to your original vision as much as possible while finding a way to accommodate the Covenant concerns is the best path forward. I especially support the ability to register parties between elections.
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