A Resolution of Ratification of the Treaty Between Talossa and Carcosa

[King Txec]

I take my role as chief diplomat seriously and both myself, the Minister and Deputy Minister are involved in the talks with the King of Carcosa and his chief ministers. I am the one who initiated contact. When I acceded I was asked by the Seneschal to embark on a good will tour of other nations and so that is what I've done. Carcosa, however, contacted me first. I reached out, and here we are.

There is nothing secret except that during diplomatic negotiations, not everything is public. Frankly, they had some really zany ideas and some good ones. I think both sides are eager and perhaps I am over-eager here. I would love to see this succeed, but it's not nefarious. No one here really has any experience in diplomacy so I think we are being extra careful not to screw things up.

-Txec R

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

There is nothing secret except that during diplomatic negotiations, not everything is public. Frankly, they had some really zany ideas and some good ones. I think both sides are eager and perhaps I am over-eager here. I would love to see this succeed, but it's not nefarious. No one here really has any experience in diplomacy so I think we are being extra careful not to screw things up.

Minister Somelieir, I look forward to knowing more about these joint projects if they are not secret as the King states. I, for one, do not have enough information as was expressed in a terpelaziun and here now, to vote in support of this treaty.

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

I don't think there's anything nefarious here, and I love the enthusiasm. I am just skeptical.

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm being unreasonable. I'm worried about a very specific and common phenomenon we saw before and see frequently in these situations: two or three particularly enthusiastic people come up with a whole scheme for micronation, perhaps centered around a specific gimmick, and then puff up their efforts to sound like something a little bigger. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that! In fact, that sounds a lot like our earliest history. But I'm not sure it would actually bring a lot to the table for us.

If this was the case, then that would explain why they have digital citizens but also a very quiet digital presence. It would also explain their seeming reluctance to answer questions about some basic stuff about themselves, or disclose it anywhere else. And it would also explain why they have so much centered around one piece of fiction.

Also, to be frank, they don't really seem to care about this very much!

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

I will also say, the king and we are working on this. I would rather the ideas not have been mentioned, but they are the same proposals I was thinking of when I made my earlier comments.

And as the king said, we are just being extra careful in our approach for both our reputation on the world stage, and to put forward proposals that we can back as a ministry and nation, instead of presenting half baked ideas to the nation which is not good for the credibility of ministry of foreign affairs or Talossa in general. And can make the ministry look foolish, announcing something ahead of time, when it isn't ready.

Also as I said earlier there is more than jsut this specific nation of Carossa to consider with thinking to accept this treaty. Which I have noticed that neither you or AD have mentioned or responded too.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Also as I said earlier there is more than jsut this specific nation of Carossa to consider with thinking to accept this treaty. Which I have noticed that neither you or AD have mentioned or responded too.

Minister Somelieir, I look forward to knowing more about these joint projects if they are not secret as the King states. I, for one, do not have enough information as was expressed in a terpelaziun and here now, to vote in support of this treaty. [Restating should it be necessary]

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

And as the king said, we are just being extra careful in our approach for both our reputation on the world stage, and to put forward proposals that we can back as a ministry and nation, instead of presenting half baked ideas to the nation which is not good for the credibility of ministry of foreign affairs or Talossa in general.

The treaty you are asking us to ratify mentions these projects. I don't think it's crazy to ask what you mean.

Also as I said earlier there is more than jsut this specific nation of Carossa to consider with thinking to accept this treaty. Which I have noticed that neither you or AD have mentioned or responded too.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to ratify a treaty just so we have practice ratifying treaties.

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

Also as I said earlier there is more than jsut this specific nation of Carossa to consider with thinking to accept this treaty. Which I have noticed that neither you or AD have mentioned or responded too.

Minister Somelieir, I look forward to knowing more about these joint projects if they are not secret as the King states. I, for one, do not have enough information as was expressed in a terpelaziun and here now, to vote in support of this treaty. [Restating should it be necessary]

I have already stated that I would rather the king not have mentioned the specific projects yet.

Also you seem so concerned about the ministry's position on not announcing thing before they are ready, which I am perfectly entitled to do by law, as was stated in the terp post you mentioned earlier.

And it isn't like you have refuted the reasons I have given to not announce things yet (for credibility of and for the sake of Talossa and trust in out nation from the international community). Can I ask you, what is the issue you have with this? It just sounds like you're throwing a tantrum for not being a part of the discussions and are refusing to listen to reason. And keep on making the same tired points without offering anything new.


Also, I made a whole post about other benefits to the internal infrastructure of Talossa and this as a good trial case for our nation which was just ignored. And is revelevant to the discussion of this treaty, in a broader sense.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Well we can hardly fault them for assumed names as we all use them also.

With respect your Majesty, no we don't. Most of us (not all) use Talossan-language translations of our real names. Proinsias de Rossa, whose name on his birth certificate was Frank Ross, was *not* using an assumed name.

This is kind of a point of honour for me, as I consider it one of the distinguishing features of Talossa from an RPG.

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

I will state this clearly, as it may have been missed,  although ideas have been mentioned, I have stated that until the treaty has been ratified (should it be) we won't be discussing said proposals. Only should this be ratified will we discuss them in any detail.

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

I understand your frustration, because you must have put a great deal of time and effort into this already. And you certainly aren't obligated by law to disclose anything. I don't even care that much about the secret plans, except for how strange it is that mentioning them might be a problem.

Instead, my concerns mostly have to do with the specific country you are asking us to formally form a bond with. If you're unwilling to investigate or address my concerns, that's fine, but I will vote against your proposal. 

I am still interested and I still hope for more information.

[King Txec]

Well we can hardly fault them for assumed names as we all use them also.

With respect your Majesty, no we don't. Most of us (not all) use Talossan-language translations of our real names. Proinsias de Rossa, whose name on his birth certificate was Frank Ross, was *not* using an assumed name.

This is kind of a point of honour for me, as I consider it one of the distinguishing features of Talossa from an RPG.

Yes, that was what I ineloquently was trying to say.

-Txec R

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

When this treaty was proposed, I thought Carcosa was very likely to be legit.  After all, His Majesty said he'd had conversations with multiple people, the Government was putting their weight behind the relationship, and people usually are who they appear to be.

But after noticing how much of their culture revolved around a single weird text, how they had very little online presence that didn't heavily emphasize their system of government, how no names were used at any point anywhere, and how cagey they were being, I thought that all of this made them seem pretty sketchy.  Still probably legit (thanks, Bayes' Theorem!) but I got suspicious enough to ask questions.

Now it's been a week with some pretty basic questions hanging out there.  It's more evidence that either they're not on the level or that they just don't care even a little about this treaty.