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Started by Caleb Frenibuerg, March 11, 2022, 02:38:18 PM

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Caleb Frenibuerg

Do we currently have Identity Cards that can be purchased/obtained? I saw a post about a questionnaire to obtain one but not sure if we have the option to have one as of yet.
Caleb Frenibuerg,

Lord of Glencoe Wood,
Head of Talossa National Lottery

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Quote from: Caleb Frenibuerg on March 11, 2022, 02:38:18 PM
Do we currently have Identity Cards that can be purchased/obtained? I saw a post about a questionnaire to obtain one but not sure if we have the option to have one as of yet.

I think the cards are still in the planning stages.
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

The design I created years ago has been updated by an amazing citizen volunteer and is ready to go in a more modern incarnation. I believe the current plan from the incumbent Government is not to give them out yet, until they finish developing and administer a test that must be passed before you can get an ID card. Last I saw, about 20 questions have been written out of a planned 50 (I think).
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Breneir Tzaracomprada

I am looking forward to the next Government finishing this project.


Distain, MC
Fighting the good fight

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

I'm not really sure we should wait to get a test written and administered before we do them.  ID cards are way overdue, since it's been years since the last time they were issued (when I was MinCult, a long time ago).  I'd suggest that for this new run, we should maybe offer them to every citizen without delay.  We can still develop the test and offer it for this or another purpose, but people have been waiting for literally years... let's not make them wait anymore.
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Danihel Txechescu

If I may, I'd like to suggest S:reu Autófil have a go at the design and have it improved before the project is finalized.

Breneir Tzaracomprada

S:reu Autofil is quite talented. I am looking forward to seeing what he ends up cooking up.


Distain, MC
Fighting the good fight

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

Quote from: Danihel Txechescu on March 16, 2022, 06:11:55 PM
If I may, I'd like to suggest S:reu Autófil have a go at the design and have it improved before the project is finalized.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on March 16, 2022, 07:41:31 PM
S:reu Autofil is quite talented. I am looking forward to seeing what he ends up cooking up.

I would be honored to help provide input. Thank you both. ;D
The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

What does everyone think of this as an obverse side? It's not as colorful as S:reu Txechescu's, to be sure, but it's intended to be pretty legible and I totally didn't spend way too long tinkering on the gradient transparency for the flag to get it just right, I swear

The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Iac Marscheir

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 18, 2022, 03:21:45 AM
What does everyone think of this as an obverse side? It's not as colorful as S:reu Txechescu's, to be sure, but it's intended to be pretty legible and I totally didn't spend way too long tinkering on the gradient transparency for the flag to get it just right, I swear


Off the top of my head, the only thing I'd change is "Däts da Talossanità" to "Däts da Veitaziun" and reversing the gradient of the flag lol. I appreciate that the Talossan headings come first. :D

Açafat del Val

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 18, 2022, 03:21:45 AM
What does everyone think of this as an obverse side? It's not as colorful as S:reu Txechescu's, to be sure, but it's intended to be pretty legible and I totally didn't spend way too long tinkering on the gradient transparency for the flag to get it just right, I swear

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Charismatic profile photo there! ;)

May I ask generally what our intended goal of these IDs is, or what purpose they would serve? I like the idea, but unless we have a means to manifest them physically, mail them to citizens, and use them from time to time (not even often), I do not see a cause beyond vanity.

Vanity may be a good cause, to be clear. I wondered only if vanity were the only cause?
Cheers,

AdV
ex-Senator for Florencia
Jolly Good Fellow of the Royal Talossan College of Arms

Danihel Txechescu

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 18, 2022, 03:21:45 AM
What does everyone think of this as an obverse side? It's not as colorful as S:reu Txechescu's, to be sure, but it's intended to be pretty legible and I totally didn't spend way too long tinkering on the gradient transparency for the flag to get it just right, I swear


I love the design!, and definitely the size of the picture is much better.

However, please pick up as much as possible from the previous iteration on your new design, since those elements were all taken from published standards:
* person must be facing the camera (ISO/IEC39794 part 5),
* dates must commence with day (ICAO 9303 part 3),
* sex must be indicated for the second language in italic font style (ICAO 9303 part 3),
* issuing state and type of document must go first at the top (ICAO 9303 part 5).

And two more things:
1) Looks like I made a mistake with the size of the captions, which ought to be 1.8 mm in height _at most_ (I did 1.8 for fields and 2.2 for captions), as per ICAO 9303 part 3. I see it happening here too.
2) My recommendation was to not use the citizen number as the document number, since more than one could be issued (as replacement, due to new requirements, etcetera). I encoded the citizen number in the document number as I wanted that bit to be there, and the latter is a mandatory element as per ICAO 9303 part 5.

I spent countless hours ensuring this was compliant with all those standards, and I believe the end result is 100% legal. If that's one thing worth pursuing, let's make sure we don't deviate too much from that.

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

Quote from: Iac Marscheir on March 18, 2022, 10:13:23 AMOff the top of my head, the only thing I'd change is "Däts da Talossanità" to "Däts da Veitaziun" and reversing the gradient of the flag lol. I appreciate that the Talossan headings come first. :D

Ah, I tried to have that in there as a little nod to Talossan culture for those in the know.

Quote from: Açafat del Val on March 18, 2022, 10:25:12 AMCharismatic profile photo there! ;)

May I ask generally what our intended goal of these IDs is, or what purpose they would serve? I like the idea, but unless we have a means to manifest them physically, mail them to citizens, and use them from time to time (not even often), I do not see a cause beyond vanity.

Vanity may be a good cause, to be clear. I wondered only if vanity were the only cause?

As citizens of a nation born as a vanity project, what greater cause could there be for Talossa than vanity? ;)

And in my defense, it beats the heck out of my actual license photo, in part due to the simple fact that Wisconsin prints them in grayscale...

Quote from: Danihel Txechescu on March 18, 2022, 11:26:17 AMI love the design!, and definitely the size of the picture is much better.

However, please pick up as much as possible from the previous iteration on your new design, since those elements were all taken from published standards:
* person must be facing the camera (ISO/IEC39794 part 5),
* dates must commence with day (ICAO 9303 part 3),
* sex must be indicated for the second language in italic font style (ICAO 9303 part 3),
* issuing state and type of document must go first at the top (ICAO 9303 part 5).

And two more things:
1) Looks like I made a mistake with the size of the captions, which ought to be 1.8 mm in height _at most_ (I did 1.8 for fields and 2.2 for captions), as per ICAO 9303 part 3. I see it happening here too.
2) My recommendation was to not use the citizen number as the document number, since more than one could be issued (as replacement, due to new requirements, etcetera). I encoded the citizen number in the document number as I wanted that bit to be there, and the latter is a mandatory element as per ICAO 9303 part 5.

I spent countless hours ensuring this was compliant with all those standards, and I believe the end result is 100% legal. If that's one thing worth pursuing, let's make sure we don't deviate too much from that.

This is all good to know! Admittedly I was mostly trying to get the overall design down at this point, but it is good to know the ISO standard I'm looking for (I had ISO-7810 already for the size, this is in compliance with that). You used a mix of ISO and ICAO, though?
The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Açafat del Val

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 18, 2022, 12:15:11 PM
Quote from: Açafat del Val on March 18, 2022, 10:25:12 AMCharismatic profile photo there! ;)

May I ask generally what our intended goal of these IDs is, or what purpose they would serve? I like the idea, but unless we have a means to manifest them physically, mail them to citizens, and use them from time to time (not even often), I do not see a cause beyond vanity.

Vanity may be a good cause, to be clear. I wondered only if vanity were the only cause?

As citizens of a nation born as a vanity project, what greater cause could there be for Talossa than vanity? ;)

And in my defense, it beats the heck out of my actual license photo, in part due to the simple fact that Wisconsin prints them in grayscale...

No defense needed. Your passion and skill are recognized and admired.

If vanity be the only cause, then so be it. I merely wondered.

Also, regarding the grayscale: eeewwww. Even Kansas, Missouri, Washington, Florida, and Georgia can print their licenses in color!
Cheers,

AdV
ex-Senator for Florencia
Jolly Good Fellow of the Royal Talossan College of Arms

Danihel Txechescu

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 18, 2022, 12:15:11 PMThis is all good to know! Admittedly I was mostly trying to get the overall design down at this point, but it is good to know the ISO standard I'm looking for (I had ISO-7810 already for the size, this is in compliance with that). You used a mix of ISO and ICAO, though?

Yup. ICAO 9303 builds upon a bunch of other standards (like ISO/IEC's 7810 and 3166). In fact, Document 9303 is the same as ISO/IEC 7501 BUT is freely available. I mentioned that here and posted some SVG files too: http://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=700.msg8979#msg8979.

There's SO MUCH behind such little thingies, always there, that I had no idea about.