Symbols of the Ziu

Started by Baron Alexandreu Davinescu, July 05, 2022, 01:50:06 PM

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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

I threw together a quick Merrill mockup.  Not sure how I feel about it, still.  It's kind of cool that it's asymmetrical, I guess.

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 12, 2022, 11:01:54 AM
I threw together a quick Merrill mockup.  Not sure how I feel about it, still.  It's kind of cool that it's asymmetrical, I guess.

-NRH

I know this is a starting point but I actually quite like the asymmetrical feature. That extra space makes for some nice design possibilities on the right.


Distain, MC
Fighting the good fight

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, MoFA on July 12, 2022, 09:42:59 AM
I'm wondering if it may be possible to utilize some other building from the Milwaukee skyline. Preferably something from Talossan territory; the Allen-Bradley Clock Tower is a longtime MKE landmark, but is south of the river.

A few that could qualify:

Milwaukee City Hall -- it may not be the seat of our government, but it's the seat of a government (and is vaguely Big-Ben-esque, alluding to the current usage of the Parliamentary portcullis)

North Point Water Tower -- a historic landmark that happens to straddle the boundary between Vuode and Maritiimi-Maxhestic, locally important to the extent that it is mentioned in the Lex clause detailing the boundaries of Dun Cestour Canton.

Merrill and Greene Halls are the obvious choices, but given the oddity of their design I wanted to give us some alternatives.

- TLF

That water tower is beautiful.


Distain, MC
Fighting the good fight

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Fun fact: Maritiimi-Maxhestic owns that tower, but Vuode owns the water inside.

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 12, 2022, 12:00:45 PM
Fun fact: Maritiimi-Maxhestic owns that tower, but Vuode owns the water inside.

-NRH

LOL! This hilarious trivia has inspired me to make a Talossan Fun Facts video for Fora Talossa


Distain, MC
Fighting the good fight

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 12, 2022, 12:00:45 PM
Fun fact: Maritiimi-Maxhestic owns that tower, but Vuode owns the water inside.

-NRH

Let me guess -- water outlet pipe is on the Vuode side?

(Or this is just another Talossan "for the lulz" legal oddity... :P )

- TLF
The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, MoFA on July 12, 2022, 12:06:40 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 12, 2022, 12:00:45 PM
Fun fact: Maritiimi-Maxhestic owns that tower, but Vuode owns the water inside.

-NRH

Let me guess -- water outlet pipe is on the Vuode side?

(Or this is just another Talossan "for the lulz" legal oddity... :P )

- TLF

The border between the provinces seems to either split the tower in half (most likely) or possibly place the whole thing in M-M (also known as the Greatest Province), although it's not quite clear.  In 2013, it came under dispute briefly, and I proposed the current solution.  It didn't get codified into law until 2015's Rightfully Ours Act in M-M written by the current Seneschal, a provision that was not mirrored by Vuode.

QuoteTHE RIGHTFULLY OURS ACT

WHEREAS There seems to be some doubt as to whether or not Maritiimi-Maxhestic can claim ownership of the Historic Water Tower, and
WHEREAS We conducted a completely legitimate deal with Vuode concerning this, and
WHEREAS That deal gives us ownership of the Water Tower, and
WHEREAS Vuode will shortly become part of Maritiimi-Maxhestic anyway, and
WHEREAS It is unlikely that Vuodeans could suitably appreciate the Water Tower even if they did have a claim to it

THEREFORE Maritiimi-Maxhestic hereby reaffirms it's rightful claim to the Historic Water Tower, while also recognizing Vuode's claim to the water contained within the Tower.

Uréu q'estadra så;
Ian Plätschisch

This position was informally affirmed by the sole active Vuodean shortly thereafter during merger talks, and their own laws about canton borders seem to specifically also agree.  This puts the legal status in a sort of nebulous gray area, but since the truth and necessary outcome are obvious that barely matters.

Speaking of which, maybe we should restart those merger talks under the previously-agreed terms.  Etho wrote a great prospective constitution.

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 12, 2022, 11:01:54 AM
I threw together a quick Merrill mockup.  Not sure how I feel about it, still.  It's kind of cool that it's asymmetrical, I guess.

-NRH

That's a very good start Baron! If you break it up with windows similar to the actual building, I think it would have a similar look to the portcullis, but still be unique to Talossa.

-OAF
The Fulbright Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on July 14, 2022, 11:57:42 AM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 12, 2022, 11:01:54 AM
I threw together a quick Merrill mockup.  Not sure how I feel about it, still.  It's kind of cool that it's asymmetrical, I guess.

-NRH

That's a very good start Baron! If you break it up with windows similar to the actual building, I think it would have a similar look to the portcullis, but still be unique to Talossa.

-OAF

Really?  Okay, I'll take another pass at it (or anyone else is also welcome to do so).  I'll add stylized windows and fiddle with the dimensions.

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

So I took a wag at using the Noir Raven Herald's base. I'm looking for some feedback before I get in too deep  ;D



- OAF
The Fulbright Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on August 05, 2022, 02:28:49 PM
So I took a wag at using the Noir Raven Herald's base. I'm looking for some feedback before I get in too deep  ;D



- OAF
I actually rather like the badge that uses just the central tower, the last one you have uploaded, though both of them are good.

- TLF
The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

I like the simplicity of the single tower.

-REH
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Thank you all for the feedback! Here is the full set using just the central tower.

-OAF
The Fulbright Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Looks great! If you feel up to it, I'd also suggest maybe taking a run at an entirely new version of the flag. The current design is neither pretty nor practical, in my opinion, and if we're already shifting then it makes sense to explore different possibilities.

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 08, 2022, 11:53:02 AM
Looks great! If you feel up to it, I'd also suggest maybe taking a run at an entirely new version of the flag. The current design is neither pretty nor practical, in my opinion, and if we're already shifting then it makes sense to explore different possibilities.

-NRH

Thank you! I'll do a little brainstorming on the flag and see what falls out  ;D

-OAF
The Fulbright Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa