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Started by Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP, March 02, 2020, 01:01:48 PM

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Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

I'm not a governor, but I've also been thinking about province mergers:



Some people who are on the Unofficial Official Discord server may think this looks familiar, and yeah, I posted the same idea on there on 26 February 2019.
Editing posts is my thing. My bad.
Feel free to PM me if you have a Glheþ translation request!

el PARTI TAFIALISTÀ, voastra va facçal in la 56 58:téa Cosă.

Magniloqueu Épiqeu Ac’hlerglünä da Lhiun

Mîmbreu Xhugnhör da l'Avocatür Rexhital

I support the "United Provinces of Maritiimi-Maxhestic, Vuode, and Dandenburg."

Breneir Tzaracomprada

I really like Garibaldi. Is that a merger of Florencia and Benito?


Distain, MC
Fighting the good fight

Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on February 23, 2022, 02:52:05 PM
I really like Garibaldi. Is that a merger of Florencia and Benito?

It is! You could think of it as a reunification, as Florenciă used to be a part of Benito (then Mussolini) province. I was originally planning to name it Grült-Benito i.e. Greater Benito but Lüc didn't like that idea and I'm trusting his expertise on this topic.

Now how likely these mergers are I can't say. I believe there was an attempt at unifying Vuode and M-M a few years back and that amounted to nothing, but that hasn't stopped anyone from wild speculating before.
Editing posts is my thing. My bad.
Feel free to PM me if you have a Glheþ translation request!

el PARTI TAFIALISTÀ, voastra va facçal in la 56 58:téa Cosă.

GV

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 23, 2022, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on February 23, 2022, 02:52:05 PM
I really like Garibaldi. Is that a merger of Florencia and Benito?

It is! You could think of it as a reunification, as Florenciă used to be a part of Benito (then Mussolini) province. I was originally planning to name it Grült-Benito i.e. Greater Benito but Lüc didn't like that idea and I'm trusting his expertise on this topic.

Now how likely these mergers are I can't say. I believe there was an attempt at unifying Vuode and M-M a few years back and that amounted to nothing, but that hasn't stopped anyone from wild speculating before.

Do not forget the failed Fiova/Florencia merger.

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 23, 2022, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on February 23, 2022, 02:52:05 PM
I really like Garibaldi. Is that a merger of Florencia and Benito?

It is! You could think of it as a reunification, as Florenciă used to be a part of Benito (then Mussolini) province. I was originally planning to name it Grült-Benito i.e. Greater Benito but Lüc didn't like that idea and I'm trusting his expertise on this topic.

Now how likely these mergers are I can't say. I believe there was an attempt at unifying Vuode and M-M a few years back and that amounted to nothing, but that hasn't stopped anyone from wild speculating before.

I can only speak for myself here but I'm running for the Benitian Assembly on a platform that involves undoing the split between Benito and Florencia. I hadn't considered renaming the province, but a revamped provincial flag was intended to show that Florencia had rejoined us as equals with their own unique history.
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Miestră Schivă, UrN

#6
I don't think CZ should be merged with any other province, but critical support for this map otherwise. Free Democrats 100% support provincial mergers and the Fiovan and Maricopan administrations are slowly but surely making plans.

It's worth nothing why the Fiova-Florencia movement failed. The King himself admitted to me that the fiery opposition to the merger he led was that he saw it as an attack on monarchist representation in the Senäts, given that Florencia is our "reddest state", as it were (neglecting of course that Fiova is the "bluest"). So much of the opposition to provincial mergers is led by calculations of Senäts representations, unrelated to questions of provincial governance or culture. This, I think, is very wrong.

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Garibaldi. That is a provincial name to be proud of. @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial did you mention you created a draft flag? If not then I would fly a Garibaldi Merger Movement flag.


Distain, MC
Fighting the good fight

Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on February 23, 2022, 04:56:43 PM
Garibaldi. That is a provincial name to be proud of. @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial did you mention you created a draft flag? If not then I would fly a Garibaldi Merger Movement flag.

I didn't design any flags, so feel free to make your own.

To be honest, I'm not sure why this ancient thread has suddenly become active again but I'm happy that people like my idea, I suppose!
Editing posts is my thing. My bad.
Feel free to PM me if you have a Glheþ translation request!

el PARTI TAFIALISTÀ, voastra va facçal in la 56 58:téa Cosă.

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 23, 2022, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on February 23, 2022, 04:56:43 PM
Garibaldi. That is a provincial name to be proud of. @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial did you mention you created a draft flag? If not then I would fly a Garibaldi Merger Movement flag.

I didn't design any flags, so feel free to make your own.

To be honest, I'm not sure why this ancient thread has suddenly become active again but I'm happy that people like my idea, I suppose!

It was me. I look at the list of online users and most of the time it is guests. There was a guest viewing this thread which was not familiar to me. I visited it and was intrigued.


Distain, MC
Fighting the good fight

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on February 23, 2022, 04:56:43 PM
Garibaldi. That is a provincial name to be proud of. @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial did you mention you created a draft flag? If not then I would fly a Garibaldi Merger Movement flag.

That was me.


Colors are laid out to cover their positions on the Talossan and Italian flags (green on top (RT)/hoist (IT), red on bottom (RT)/fly (IT), using the national flag's exact hues), in order to nod to the province's history without simply being an inescutcheon of the Italian tricolor. Over all, a navy blue inescutcheon bearing a gold fleur-de-lis, using the exact colors from the current Florencian flag.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 23, 2022, 04:34:50 PM
I don't think CZ should be merged with any other province, but critical support for this map otherwise. Free Democrats 100% support provincial mergers and the Fiovan and Maricopan administrations are slowly but surely making plans.

It's worth nothing why the Fiova-Florencia movement failed. The King himself admitted to me that the fiery opposition to the merger he led was that he saw it as an attack on monarchist representation in the Senäts, given that Florencia is our "reddest state", as it were (neglecting of course that Fiova is the "bluest"). So much of the opposition to provincial mergers is led by calculations of Senäts representations, unrelated to questions of provincial governance or culture. This, I think, is very wrong.

Could this perhaps be resolved by "grandfathering" Senators? Think of it this way: Neither Benito's nor Florencia's Senator is removed from office until their original term was up. Yes, this would mean that -- assuming the merger happens during the 57th Cosa -- for a partial Cosa term, Garibaldi would have two Senators. The "balance of power" in the Senate is not (immediately) changed. However, when elections for the 58th Cosa come up, Garibaldi would simply not elect a Senator. The Benitian senator term would end, and then the Florencian senator would be the sole senator from the new province, and Garibaldi would take the place of Florencia in the Senate election cycle.
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Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Ian Plätschisch

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on February 23, 2022, 07:03:15 PM
Could this perhaps be resolved by "grandfathering" Senators? Think of it this way: Neither Benito's nor Florencia's Senator is removed from office until their original term was up. Yes, this would mean that -- assuming the merger happens during the 57th Cosa -- for a partial Cosa term, Garibaldi would have two Senators. The "balance of power" in the Senate is not (immediately) changed. However, when elections for the 58th Cosa come up, Garibaldi would simply not elect a Senator. The Benitian senator term would end, and then the Florencian senator would be the sole senator from the new province, and Garibaldi would take the place of Florencia in the Senate election cycle.
This would have the unfortunate consequence of leaving formerly Benitian voters represented by a Senator they didn't elect. Maybe the short time period makes that concern not very important though.

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on February 23, 2022, 07:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on February 23, 2022, 07:03:15 PM
Could this perhaps be resolved by "grandfathering" Senators? Think of it this way: Neither Benito's nor Florencia's Senator is removed from office until their original term was up. Yes, this would mean that -- assuming the merger happens during the 57th Cosa -- for a partial Cosa term, Garibaldi would have two Senators. The "balance of power" in the Senate is not (immediately) changed. However, when elections for the 58th Cosa come up, Garibaldi would simply not elect a Senator. The Benitian senator term would end, and then the Florencian senator would be the sole senator from the new province, and Garibaldi would take the place of Florencia in the Senate election cycle.
This would have the unfortunate consequence of leaving formerly Benitian voters represented by a Senator they didn't elect. Maybe the short time period makes that concern not very important though.

Obviously I'm only speaking for myself, but I don't think one term is a huge bother.

The alternative would be to have Garibaldi take Benito's place in the Senate election cycle, which means the entire province would vote on a Senator during Cosa Election 58. But if we let the Florencian senator serve out their term, that means we would have a province with two senators for a partial term (whatever remains of 57 after the merger takes effect) as well as a full term (58).
The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on February 23, 2022, 07:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on February 23, 2022, 07:03:15 PM
Could this perhaps be resolved by "grandfathering" Senators? Think of it this way: Neither Benito's nor Florencia's Senator is removed from office until their original term was up. Yes, this would mean that -- assuming the merger happens during the 57th Cosa -- for a partial Cosa term, Garibaldi would have two Senators. The "balance of power" in the Senate is not (immediately) changed. However, when elections for the 58th Cosa come up, Garibaldi would simply not elect a Senator. The Benitian senator term would end, and then the Florencian senator would be the sole senator from the new province, and Garibaldi would take the place of Florencia in the Senate election cycle.
This would have the unfortunate consequence of leaving formerly Benitian voters represented by a Senator they didn't elect. Maybe the short time period makes that concern not very important though.

I'd have to check, but I also think that would involve a change to the OrgLaw also. If that's the case, a referendum would be required.
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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on February 23, 2022, 07:03:15 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on February 23, 2022, 04:56:43 PM
Garibaldi. That is a provincial name to be proud of. @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial did you mention you created a draft flag? If not then I would fly a Garibaldi Merger Movement flag.

That was me.


Colors are laid out to cover their positions on the Talossan and Italian flags (green on top (RT)/hoist (IT), red on bottom (RT)/fly (IT), using the national flag's exact hues), in order to nod to the province's history without simply being an inescutcheon of the Italian tricolor. Over all, a navy blue inescutcheon bearing a gold fleur-de-lis, using the exact colors from the current Florencian flag.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 23, 2022, 04:34:50 PM
I don't think CZ should be merged with any other province, but critical support for this map otherwise. Free Democrats 100% support provincial mergers and the Fiovan and Maricopan administrations are slowly but surely making plans.

It's worth nothing why the Fiova-Florencia movement failed. The King himself admitted to me that the fiery opposition to the merger he led was that he saw it as an attack on monarchist representation in the Senäts, given that Florencia is our "reddest state", as it were (neglecting of course that Fiova is the "bluest"). So much of the opposition to provincial mergers is led by calculations of Senäts representations, unrelated to questions of provincial governance or culture. This, I think, is very wrong.

Could this perhaps be resolved by "grandfathering" Senators? Think of it this way: Neither Benito's nor Florencia's Senator is removed from office until their original term was up. Yes, this would mean that -- assuming the merger happens during the 57th Cosa -- for a partial Cosa term, Garibaldi would have two Senators. The "balance of power" in the Senate is not (immediately) changed. However, when elections for the 58th Cosa come up, Garibaldi would simply not elect a Senator. The Benitian senator term would end, and then the Florencian senator would be the sole senator from the new province, and Garibaldi would take the place of Florencia in the Senate election cycle.

That is an awesome flag


Distain, MC
Fighting the good fight