The New Word Suggestion Threads -- El Fil dels Noveux Mocts Suxhestats

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

New year, new word suggestion. Without further ado:



Talossan word: grefierïă
English translation: scribery
Part of speech: Noun (feminine)
Context (e.g. citations for use, word origin, etc.): Chancellor --> Cantzeleir, Chancery --> Cantzelerïa, Scribe --> Grefieir, Scribery --> Grefierïa

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Here's my personal take on grefierïă:

While the parallel to cantzeleir ~ cantzelerïă is pretty convincing, I do have an objection to make, namely that there is already a Talossan word for "scribery" in use: scriuerïă. It is used in some TalossaWiki articles, which is what I chose for the L'Estat document. From a purely aesthetic point of view, grefierïă is the better choice, but from a descriptivist point of view, scriuerïă ought to be prefered.

I'm conflicted. What do you think?

[Iac Marscheir]

Téu aucün opiniuns över ça. Téu simplămint fäts 'n glheþinaziun listeral. Schi ja'iens moct q'isch detxa uçescu, instüzös ça uficialità eda mancançă da ça, acest moct put estar el miglhor à guardar. À mhïus, façar acest non noi resquirarha àð inovar els texts existinds cün 'n noveu moct.

(I have no strong opinions either way. I simply made a literal translation. If there's already a word in use, regardless of its status as official or not, maybe that's the better one to keep. At least, doing that doesn't require us to update the existing texts with a new word.)

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Azul everyone. New word suggestion.



Talossan word: infrastrütür
English translation: infrastructure
Part of speech: Noun (masculine)
Context (e.g. citations for use, word origin, etc.): infrared --> infraroxh / structure --> strütür / infra- + structure --> infra- + strütür --> infrastrütür



This word seems like a no-brainer to me, and I might as well add it right away. Any objections?

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Hello everyone. There have been no word suggestions since the last time I posted here, but I would like to propose a new word regardless.



Talossan word: axhuntar
English translation: to add
Part of speech: Verb
Context (e.g. citations for use, word origin, etc.): derived from Romansh agiuntar "to add", alternatively from Sardinian aggiuntare "to add" and Talossan axhuntă "adjunct, rider". First suggested by Tafial and subsequented supported by S:reu Siervicül in 2015.

[table style="width:100%;" border=1]
[tr][td]Infinitive[/td][td colspan=6]axhuntar[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Present Participle[/td][td colspan=6]axhuntind(s)[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Past Participle[/td][td colspan=6]axhuntat(s), axhuntadă(s), axhuntescu (-schti)[/td][/tr]
[tr][td][/td][td]éu[/td] [td]tu[/td][td]o/a/ça[/td][td]noi[/td][td]voi[/td][td]os/as/ça[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Present[/td][td]axhuntéu[/td] [td]axhuntás[/td][td]axhunta[/td][td]axhuntent (axhuntameux)[/td][td]axhuntetz[/td][td]axhuntent[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Past[/td][td]axhunteveu[/td] [td]axhuntevás[/td][td]axhunteva[/td][td]axhuntevent (axhuntevameux)[/td][td]axhuntevetz[/td][td]axhuntevent[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Future[/td][td]axhuntarhéu[/td] [td]axhuntarhás[/td][td]axhuntarha[/td][td]axhuntarhent (axhuntarhameux)[/td][td]axhuntarhetz[/td][td]axhuntarhent[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Conditional[/td][td]axhuntadréu[/td] [td]axhuntadrás[/td][td]axhuntadra[/td][td]axhuntadrent (axhuntadrameux)[/td][td]axhuntadretz[/td][td]axhuntadrent[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imperative[/td][td][/td] [td]¡axhunta![/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]¡axhuntetz![/td][td][/td][/tr]
[/table]



It is my belief that this word is well enough established to add to the dictionary right away. Should anyone object, I will remove it again and put it up to a discussion.

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

I'm currently working on a translation of S:reu Tzaracompradas Book of Cuisine, and I noticed that we're missing some food words.



Talossan word: cardamomeu
English translation: cardamom
Part of speech: Noun (masculine)
Context (e.g. citations for use, word origin, etc.): Latin cardamomum, Italian cardamomo, Spanish cardamomo



Talossan word: cumineu
English translation: cumin
Part of speech: Noun (masculine)
Context (e.g. citations for use, word origin, etc.): Latin cuminum, Italian cumino, Spanish comino



Talossan word: ugnhiun da primavară
English translation: scallion, green onion
Part of speech: Noun (feminine)
Context (e.g. citations for use, word origin, etc.): Romansh tschagula da primavaira, lit. "spring onion"



Talossan word: marinar
English translation: to marinate
Part of speech: Verb
Context (e.g. citations for use, word origin, etc.): Romansh marinar, French mariner, Italian marinare...

[table style="width:100%;" border=1]
[tr][td]Infinitive[/td][td colspan=6]marinar[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Present Participle[/td][td colspan=6]marinind(s)[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Past Participle[/td][td colspan=6]marinat(s), marinadă(s), marinescu (-schti)[/td][/tr]
[tr][td][/td][td]éu[/td] [td]tu[/td][td]o/a/ça[/td][td]noi[/td][td]voi[/td][td]os/as/ça[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Present[/td][td]marinéu[/td] [td]marinás[/td][td]marina[/td][td]marinent (marinameux)[/td][td]marinetz[/td][td]marinent[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Past[/td][td]marineveu[/td] [td]marinevás[/td][td]marineva[/td][td]marinevent (marinevameux)[/td][td]marinevetz[/td][td]marinevent[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Future[/td][td]marinarhéu[/td] [td]marinarhás[/td][td]marinarha[/td][td]marinarhent (marinarhameux)[/td][td]marinarhetz[/td][td]marinarhent[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Conditional[/td][td]marinadréu[/td] [td]marinadrás[/td][td]marinadra[/td][td]marinadrent (marinadrameux)[/td][td]marinadretz[/td][td]marinadrent[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imperative[/td][td][/td] [td]¡marina![/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]¡marinetz![/td][td][/td][/tr]
[/table]



Talossan word: clementină
English translation: clementine (fruit)
Part of speech: Noun (feminine)
Context (e.g. citations for use, word origin, etc.): Romansh clementina, French clémentine, Italian clementina



Thoughts?

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

I'd like to remind everyone that I will not add these words to the dictionary until I've had some input from other members of SIGN.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

I'm happy with all of these, although the spice names which just look like the English names + eu almost look like Archaic Talossan

[Iac Marscheir]

No objections here.

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Very well, then.

EDIT: I just realised the Treisour already had an entry for cumin, cüminsatour, except I wouldnt find it because the entry was spelled "CUMMIN". Instead of adding cumineu I'll change that entry to CUMMIN, CUMIN.

[Bråneu Excelsio, UrN]

I added a few!

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

I added a few!

Fair enough, here's a list of newly suggested words. I've decided to reject all three of them and here's why.

• esprëso, "espresso" (masculine noun): Incorrect spelling aside (whats the Ë doing there?), "espresso" is an Italian loanword for a very Italian beverage. As such I see no point in coining a specifically Talossan word for it, just use espresso (or espreßo if you insist, ẞ and SS are mostly interchangeable).
• espomar, "to froth" (verb): The Talossan word for froth is sploimă. So the verb "to froth" can be regularly derived to be sploimiçar (sploimă "froth" + -içar "-ize, to make into"), no new dictionary entry necessary.
• gräno, "bean (green bean, coffee bean)" (masculine noun): No etymology was given, and I don't recognise the word myself. But aside from that, Talossan already has a word for "bean" that you can use: þáriqeu.

There was also a word request for "portafilter". As far as I can tell, the English word is either a blend of "portable filter", in which case the Talossan word is strecureir porteble, or it comes from Italian "portafiltro", literally "carries-filter", in which case the Talossan word is apoartastrecureir. Comparisons with other Romance languages lead me to believe the latter origin is more likely, so my suggestion for "portafilter" would be apoartastrecureir.

Comments and corrections are appreciated.

[Bråneu Excelsio, UrN]

I've seen people use expresso outside of Italy and sometimes they use the word espresso. It's a common mistake and I thought maybe you could decide on one.

I didn't find "froth" but I think that's because I was looking specifically for verbs instead of "all" in the query / filter thingy. My bad.

Bean in english is really broad, as beans (english breakfast, mexican breakfast) in spanish, italian and french is different than coffee beans.
Spanish: Frijol / Grano de café.
Italian: Fagiolo / chicco/grano di café.
French: Haricots / Grain de café.
I don't think it'd be appropiate to use " þáriqeu de cafe" but I'm figuring "tridicour de cafè" would be the best answer?

Apoartastrecureir sounds good, thanks.

[Tamoran Montagnhard]

I submitted a few words that I had suggested in the Old Witt.

[Glüc]

Azul Tamoran, welcome back on Witt!

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

From Iac Marscheir on Discord:

I'd like to advocate for a gendered form of the determiner aucün.
aucünă, that would be.

Also, from l'Översteir:
PROVIDED THAT --> províut qe
SEE (past participle) --> víut

Proposal:
PROVIDE (i.e. stipulate) --> providar

[Tamoran Montagnhard]

Azul Tamoran, welcome back on Witt!

thank you! It seems that Talossa is going to have some important changes and I  longed to help Talossan language somehow as it was the first reason why I pondered to become a citizen

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

From Iac Marscheir on Discord:

I'd like to advocate for a gendered form of the determiner aucün.
aucünă, that would be.

I would like to argue against such a change to the grammar from a historical point of view: aucün has been used with feminine nouns since 1987. Interestingly enough, it used to have a plural form, aucüns, until at least 1994, but it seems that fell out of use sometime beween then and the mid-2010s when talossan. com was written (by the way, DO NOT visit that website, the domain has since been hijacked by God knows who)

Also, from l'Översteir:
PROVIDED THAT --> províut qe
SEE (past participle) --> víut

Proposal:
PROVIDE (i.e. stipulate) --> providar

That seems fine. In fact it's weird that providar isn't already in the dictionary.

[Iac Marscheir]

I would argue for aucünă on two bases:

1. Its closest natlang counterpart, aucun in French, has a feminine form.

2. aucün --> aucünă is analogous to ün --> ünă.

[Tierçéu Rôibeardescù]

Could we get a talossan short hand for academic writing peroses for the term "And others" or in common short hand "et al"?