Coronation Prep

Started by Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat, August 26, 2024, 02:06:00 PM

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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

I think it'd be "Txec Regeu del Ca Nordselvă."  Arms will presumably be marshalled as such: quarterly, 1 and 4 argent, the Chinese glyph Ben sable, 2 and 3 ermine, a scroll bendwise sinister gules.  It could also be the more complicated: quarterly, 1 and 4 argent, the Chinese glyph Ben sable, 2 and 3 ermine, a cross engrailed enhanced and offset to dexter and in sinister base a scroll bendwise sinister gules.

There is ironclad precedent that you shall retain your status as a herald.

-Dean
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan

                   

King Txec

I would prefer the more complicated quartering as it would portray all the elements of my current arms.

-SVA/REH
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Okay, here's a mockup of that:


The third and fourth quarters are clipped, as is normal for quarterings like this.

The rules state further that "Members of the peerage are entitled to enhancement of their achievements of arms consisting of a motto, a crowned helm, a crest, and mantling. Dukes alone are further entitled to adorn their achievements of arms with supporters."

Obviously, the king is the source of honours of all sorts, and so you will be able to just do whatever you want, but it is my advice that you adhere to the established system, the better to support the order you will impose and govern.  So I think the only thing remaining would be to choose supporters and a crest, since you already have a motto and mantling comes from the primary tincture (argent).  Did you have any thoughts or preferences?

-Dean
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan

                   

King Txec

I don't know if it would look weird or not, but for my supporters one could be a unicorn representing my Scottish heritage, and the other supporter a Badger representing my teaching career (I teach at a school with Badger as a mascot and have for the past 21 years). For my crest, an elephant represents my character of strength, resilience, slow to anger, etc. The arms with quartering themselves look good to me.

-SVA/REH
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Okay. That all sounds fine to me. It will take me a bit to find art in suitable style for both a unicorn and a badger. The program I use already has both, but one is in French style and the other is in German style. I might just lift an SVG from existing arms that are in the public domain. Then I can be sure to find ones that are nicely shaded and langued and everything. Same with the elephant.

Question: for the crest, I believe traditional style would have the elephant facing dexter on top of the helm. I see you also have that for your badge: are you okay with that or would you prefer an elephant rampant?

I will write up the blazon tonight. Naturally, all members of the Coletx should feel free to weigh in on any of this.

-Dean
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan

                   

King Txec

An Elephant to Dexter in my crest is perfectly fine with me. Thanks.

-SVA/REH
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

This website has lots of Heraldric SVG images that can be ungrouped and colored appropriately. It's the one I use most of the time. 

Tons of unicorns, elephants, and several badgers.

https://heraldicart.org/unicorn/
https://heraldicart.org/elephant/
https://heraldicart.org/badger/

-TFF
Premieir of Maricopa
The Green Town Pursuivant / El Coletxüt del Stavour Virt, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 02, 2024, 07:42:10 AMOkay, here's a mockup of that:



I don't know if there is any precedent for it, or if it is totally out of line. But looking at this the quartering is somewhat lost in the meeting of argent and ermine. We could incorporate all elements of the original arms by moving the cross overall for example a rough blazon might be:

Quarterly, 1 and 4 argent, the Chinese glyph Ben sable, 2 and 3 ermine, a scroll bendwise sinister gules, and over all a cross engrailed.

This separates the quarters with the corss, while leaving the scrolls in quarters 2 and 3. Just an idea.

-TFF
Premieir of Maricopa
The Green Town Pursuivant / El Coletxüt del Stavour Virt, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

I considered the suggestion of the Fulbright Fellow, but unfortunately, imposing an ordinary over all during the marshalling appears to have a specific heraldic meaning (even aside from the break with Talossan precedent) since it will read as an impaling or new arms instead of a quartering to indicate the union of his personal house and the realm.

In other words, quartering preserves the integrity of the individual arms.  Putting an engrailed cross over everything would make this an entirely new achievement, instead of a quartering, and would imply a right by blood to Talossa.

Thank you for the art links!  Great!

-Dean
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan

                   

King Txec

Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on September 02, 2024, 04:38:40 PMThis website has lots of Heraldric SVG images that can be ungrouped and colored appropriately. It's the one I use most of the time. 

Tons of unicorns, elephants, and several badgers.

https://heraldicart.org/unicorn/
https://heraldicart.org/elephant/
https://heraldicart.org/badger/

-TFF

What a great source!

-SVA/REH
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 02, 2024, 06:55:48 PMI considered the suggestion of the Fulbright Fellow, but unfortunately, imposing an ordinary over all during the marshalling appears to have a specific heraldic meaning (even aside from the break with Talossan precedent) since it will read as an impaling or new arms instead of a quartering to indicate the union of his personal house and the realm.

In other words, quartering preserves the integrity of the individual arms.  Putting an engrailed cross over everything would make this an entirely new achievement, instead of a quartering, and would imply a right by blood to Talossa.

Thank you for the art links!  Great!

-Dean

This makes perfect sense. I thank the Dean for humouring my unorthodox idea!

-TFF
Premieir of Maricopa
The Green Town Pursuivant / El Coletxüt del Stavour Virt, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

On the contrary, I am grateful to the Fulbright Fellow for his willingness to think outside the box and suggest novel solutions! And this idea can even be possibly utilized a badge or something.

-Dean
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan

                   

King Txec

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 03, 2024, 08:58:03 AMOn the contrary, I am grateful to the Fulbright Fellow for his willingness to think outside the box and suggest novel solutions! And this idea can even be possibly utilized a badge or something.

-Dean

It's outside the box ideas that keep us growing. Frankly, it was a good idea but the Dean is right that it would not mean what we intended.

As for a badge, I do need to start thinking about that as well. Perhaps it could be a modified version of my marshalled arms.

-SVA/REH
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Perhaps simplified from quarterly to party per bend? Something like:

Quoteper bend sinister argent and ermine, the Chinese glyph Ben sable and a scroll bendwise sinister separated by a bend sinister engrailed gules.

The shape of the field to be determined of course.

-TFF
Premieir of Maricopa
The Green Town Pursuivant / El Coletxüt del Stavour Virt, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

King Txec

Yeah that might be quite snazzy!

-SVA/REH
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Here is an example on a square field:



-TFF
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The Green Town Pursuivant / El Coletxüt del Stavour Virt, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

King Txec

#36
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on September 04, 2024, 10:22:38 AMHere is an example on a square field:



-TFF

I rather like this badge. Nice job!

-SVA/REH
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

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Béneditsch Ardpresteir

Congratulations Sreu: Txec !

I would be delighted to participate in the coronation in an active role.

It feels wonderful that the CoA I designed for you will be remembered and revered throughout Talossa for a long time.

SKA
 

 
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King Txec

Quote from: Béneditsch Ardpresteir on September 06, 2024, 12:40:56 PMCongratulations Sreu: Txec !

I would be delighted to participate in the coronation in an active role.

It feels wonderful that the CoA I designed for you will be remembered and revered throughout Talossa for a long time.

SKA

Thank you BenArd! I had quite forgotten it was you who designed my original arms. I am excited for what the future holds.

-SVA/REH
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk