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Started by Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC EiP, September 23, 2024, 02:34:07 AM

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, SMC EiP on October 20, 2024, 11:52:59 PMThat would be preferred, once we can arrive at a broader consensus. As it stands, the sixth Clark is tentatively scheduled for January, though if the Seneschal declares a month of recess for December that pushes it out to February. I'd like to think we can arrive at something by then. (I may actually go back through the thread and tabulate people's responses to individual items in the proposal, that way we know which parts are more likely to achieve broader support.)


This news is well-received and I look forward to what you come up with. I know there is some opposition but I want to put in another plug for longer terms if a way to address concerns can be found.

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, SMC EiP on October 20, 2024, 11:52:59 PMFinally, I do want to apologize for the delayed response -- the past few weeks most of my energy has been devoted to a higher-than-usual workload at work and the process of beginning legal proceedings for marital dissolution. La vidă martscha.

Thank you Mic'haglh and I am sorry to hear of your dissolution. I am also going through a separation which will likely end in a divorce so you have my sympathies as you go through this process.

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King Txec

I'm really curious, as the current elections administrator, what actual reasons there are for making the period between elections longer? (sorry I've had trouble following this so forgive me for inane questions).

I do see the allure of running elections less frequently, as that is probably the busiest time in the life of the Chancery. What practical reasons would there be though? Too long and we risk losing the government to inaction.
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Breneir Tzaracomprada

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Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 21, 2024, 03:18:27 PMI'm really curious, as the current elections administrator, what actual reasons there are for making the period between elections longer? (sorry I've had trouble following this so forgive me for inane questions).

I do see the allure of running elections less frequently, as that is probably the busiest time in the life of the Chancery. What practical reasons would there be though? Too long and we risk losing the government to inaction.

For me, the allure comes from allowing more time for actual government work as opposed to the near-constant election season. We are now half-way through this term and I've already observed comments about the coming election. I don't see the harm in adding two or three months and standardizing the election cycle and creating opportunities for a more active Civil Service to fill in that space. We are not talking about an extra six months but two or three so that we have elections at the same time and perhaps open up a bit more space apolitical folks.

Those of us who love politics will not become disinterested in that extra time between elections but those who are more interested in culture, academia, media, and sports might have the space to nurture those efforts.

Nimis gaudiam habeo

King Txec

TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC EiP

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 21, 2024, 03:18:27 PMI'm really curious, as the current elections administrator, what actual reasons there are for making the period between elections longer? (sorry I've had trouble following this so forgive me for inane questions).

I do see the allure of running elections less frequently, as that is probably the busiest time in the life of the Chancery. What practical reasons would there be though? Too long and we risk losing the government to inaction.

The two main reasons are:
- Increase space for "apolitical" activity; if elections are less frequent, that's more time people can spend on doing things that aren't inherently related to elections. (As a knock-on benefit, spacing out "political" activity should help to lower the political temperature somewhat)

- Allow governments more time to actually focus on getting through their agenda outlined at the beginning of a term.

As for your second point, this is why the VoC would be retooled as a "constructive" vote of confidence -- this is something that allows the government to change hands in between an election.
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Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC EiP

After going through the results, I first recorded everything quantitatively. Please note this was subject to my own interpretation if your comment was sort of ambiguous.
* "In Favor" indicates clear support
* "Open To" indicates agreement with the general idea, but uncertainty based on the details or preference for a slightly different method.
* Neutral (obvious)
* "Skeptical" is best typified by Luc claiming to "vaguely preferring" keeping the Senats in favor of the proposed unicameralism
* Firmly Against (obvious)

ProposalIn FavorOpen ToNeutral     SkepticalFirmly Against
Royal "power swap"Autofil, SchivaBreneir, AD, Luc, Ian
UnicameralismAutofil, BreneirSchiva, GVIan, LucAD
BiproportionalAutofil, LucSchiva, AD     
Nationwide single districtLucAutofilAD
MMP (not proposed but discussed)     SchivaAutofil, GV
Fixed election scheduleAutofil, BreneirADSchiva
Year-long termAutofil, Breneir, Luc     Schiva, AD, Ian
Constructive VoCAutofil, BreneirSchiva, AD, Luc     
Mid-term party registrationAutofil, BreneirLuc
Provincial reductionsAutofil

If we assign these categories integer values from +2 to -2, preference is as follows:
* Constructive VoC (+7)
* MMP (+4)
* Fixed elections (+4)
* Mid-term party registration (+4)
* Unicameralism (+2,)
* Biproportional (+2)
* Provincial reductions (+2)
* Nationwide single district (+1)
* Year-long Cosa term (0)
* Royal "power swap" (-4)

I'll be paring down the proposal based on this feedback over the coming days as we seek to arrive at a consensus.
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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Thanks @Miestră Schivă, UrN for reviving this.
As a part of moving to a year-long term I would support also moving toward a first, second, etc. reading of bills.

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Miestră Schivă, UrN

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 14, 2025, 02:36:41 PMThanks @Miestră Schivă, UrN for reviving this.
As a part of moving to a year-long term I would support also moving toward a first, second, etc. reading of bills.

You don't think that's feasible with the current 8-month term?

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 14, 2025, 09:10:42 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 14, 2025, 02:36:41 PMThanks @Miestră Schivă, UrN for reviving this.
As a part of moving to a year-long term I would support also moving toward a first, second, etc. reading of bills.

You don't think that's feasible with the current 8-month term?
I can imagine a slower, more considered, and formalized process of reviewing bills fitting better with a longer term.

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Tierçéu Rôibeardescù

I personally quite like the "Proportional Provincial voting" cosa idea, a lot more of a parliament style of a "big pants" nation. It would be interesting to work out the right balance so that more and less active provinces are indeed fairly proportioned. I would force party's to actually have better accountability to the provinces too than the current system, how that will manifest is yet to be determined.
I agree that a year long cosa would be to ungainly as half the fun is the elections. I do think there should be enough time in each cosa to enact somthing big, say, sending a cube sat to space, or a key reform, but then also the challenge of doing it quickly and in time for an election, as if you run out of things to do it gives chance for apathy. Running out of time is better then running out of things to do, and can be built on after the fact if necessary, outside of party leanings.


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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Tierçéu Rôibeardescù on January 15, 2025, 06:50:02 PMI agree that a year long cosa would be to ungainly as half the fun is the elections.

Not everyone finds our election seasons fun, Tierçéu. A few more months between elections hurts no one but opens up more space for cooperation on big projects and for apolitical activity.

Can you please elaborate on what would make our elections ungainly with them being conducted annually?

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Sir Ian Plätschisch

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 15, 2025, 07:16:34 PMNot everyone finds our election seasons fun, Tierçéu.

Most people do tho
Sir Ian Plätschisch, UrN, GST
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Attorney-General and Minister of Finance
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Sir Ian Plätschisch

With yearlong Cosas there could be no more TMT20 special editions, which would be a great loss
Sir Ian Plätschisch, UrN, GST
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Attorney-General and Minister of Finance
El Capitán da l'Altahál of the Royal Zouaves

Breneir Tzaracomprada


Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 15, 2025, 07:16:34 PM
Quote from: Tierçéu Rôibeardescù on January 15, 2025, 06:50:02 PMI agree that a year long cosa would be to ungainly as half the fun is the elections.
Can you please elaborate on what would make our elections ungainly with them being conducted annually?

@Tierçéu Rôibeardescù

Nimis gaudiam habeo

Sir Ian Plätschisch

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 16, 2025, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 15, 2025, 07:16:34 PM
Quote from: Tierçéu Rôibeardescù on January 15, 2025, 06:50:02 PMI agree that a year long cosa would be to ungainly as half the fun is the elections.
Can you please elaborate on what would make our elections ungainly with them being conducted annually?

@Tierçéu Rôibeardescù
Patience young grasshopper
Sir Ian Plätschisch, UrN, GST
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Attorney-General and Minister of Finance
El Capitán da l'Altahál of the Royal Zouaves