Ünă Cumpetaziun da Mocts

[Iac Marscheir]

Per lor qi non s'aziuient över els evints in l'óspileu #glheþ in el serveir, Miestră Schivă tent propoçescu l'idéă d'iensă cumpetaziun per dels papiereux scriuts in Talossan, cün ün prix comtantesc per el gagnheir. Éu en perceitéu com'iensă uportunità à levitar la naziun s'intereçù in sieu glheþ, más ocså volt staxar nonobstind q'hi estadra da toct intereçù in această idéă starp els citaxhiéns non-ladintschiçeschti.

(For those who don't keep themselves updated regarding the events in the #glheþ channel in the server, Miestră Schivă has proposed the idea of a competition for essays written in Talossan, with a cash prize for the winner. I see it as an opportunity to raise the nation's interest in her language, but I also want to see whether there's any interest at all among citizens who aren't Ladintschen.)

(What does everyone think?)

¿Qet pensa toct i tzară?

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

I am skeptical this will get a high participation rate but it sounds like a good idea. Has there ever been a coordinated effort to expand Talossan vocabulary? We have tens of thousands of words which is good for a conlang but it might be a fun exercise to have a word translation drive to expand the number of Talossan words even higher and improve the translator. AI might have some implications here.

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Has there ever been a coordinated effort to expand Talossan vocabulary?

Dictionary expansion right now is based on attestation or internal coherence, which is to say if a word has a history of being used a certain way, or if its derivation follows established principles, it gets included.

AI might have some implications here.

How so?

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

I would enter such a contest, probably.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Dictionary expansion right now is based on attestation or internal coherence, which is to say if a word has a history of being used a certain way, or if its derivation follows established principles, it gets included.

Using those criteria as guidelines I would certainly be interested in a dictionary expansion workgroup. Might even be ripe for cooperation betwen national language authorities and the new leadership of the Royal Society.

How so?

I assumed that many translation service portals use some kind of AI in the background. And then made a further assumption that some kind of cheap AI service might be available. I could certainly be imagining all of this as a layperson.

[Barclamïu da Miéletz]

also want to see whether there's any interest at all among citizens who aren't Ladintschen.

Interested, but not going to participate because I don't know a WORD of Talossan.

[Iac Marscheir]

also want to see whether there's any interest at all among citizens who aren't Ladintschen.

Interested, but not going to participate because I don't know a WORD of Talossan.

https://oversteir.talossa.com/

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

"Talossa" is a word in Talossan

[Barclamïu da Miéletz]

"Talossa" is a word in Talossan

Isn't it Finnish or something?

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Yes. That's how borrowings work. "Pierogi" is a word in Polish and in English.

[Barclamïu da Miéletz]

Yes. That's how borrowings work. "Pierogi" is a word in Polish and in English.

I forgot about those.

(How you had to choose a Polish example simply because I'm Polish 😂)

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

also want to see whether there's any interest at all among citizens who aren't Ladintschen.

Interested, but not going to participate because I don't know a WORD of Talossan.

Considering that, your pronunciation is excellent. Could've fooled me!

[Barclamïu da Miéletz]

also want to see whether there's any interest at all among citizens who aren't Ladintschen.

Interested, but not going to participate because I don't know a WORD of Talossan.

Considering that, your pronunciation is excellent. Could've fooled me!

I just try not to butcher, that's all.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Well, pierogi is one of the only two Polish words I know, the other being solidarność

[Sir Lüc]

I assumed that many translation service portals use some kind of AI in the background. And then made a further assumption that some kind of cheap AI service might be available. I could certainly be imagining all of this as a layperson.

Sadly the issue is that you need a humongous body of 1:1 translations for that to be possible, even before we get to how costly (computationally or econominally) it is to actually train a model. The situation hasn't really changed since the last time we discussed this, not on account of technology not advancing, but because there's no way we could ever amass enough training data.