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[Iac Marscheir]

Also, if we could keep Talossa firmly away from AI as a concept, that would be greeeeat.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

I assumed that many translation service portals use some kind of AI in the background. And then made a further assumption that some kind of cheap AI service might be available. I could certainly be imagining all of this as a layperson.

Sadly the issue is that you need a humongous body of 1:1 translations for that to be possible, even before we get to how costly (computationally or econominally) it is to actually train a model. The situation hasn't really changed since the last time we discussed this, not on account of technology not advancing, but because there's no way we could ever amass enough training data.

Thanks Luc, so that's clearly a no go. Now, how about this idea:

Using those criteria as guidelines I would certainly be interested in a dictionary expansion workgroup. Might even be ripe for cooperation betwen national language authorities and the new leadership of the Royal Society.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Also, if we could keep Talossa firmly away from AI as a concept, that would be greeeeat.

Try to hold out as long as you can, I guess, but Judgement Day seems to come in every timeline.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN]

Also, if we could keep Talossa firmly away from AI as a concept, that would be greeeeat.

Ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about goblins, in Talossan

[Barclamïu da Miéletz]

Also, if we could keep Talossa firmly away from AI as a concept, that would be greeeeat.

Ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about goblins, in Talossan

Sure thing! Here's your poem about goblins, in Talossan.

[insert poem here]

[Iason Taiwos]

"Els malignhs, els malignhs,
Toct i pläts os existar.
Lor Eú hassar.
Toct i pläts existar."

(Probably completely wrong)

[Miestră Schivă, UrN]

"Els malignhs, els malignhs,
Toct i pläts os existarent.
Lor Eú hassaréu.
Toct i pläts existarent."

(Probably completely wrong)

Pretty good except for declining the verbs!

Maybe we should have a poetry contest instead, lol

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

"Els malignhs, els malignhs,
Toct i pläts os existarent.
Lor Eú hassaréu.
Toct i pläts existarent."

(Probably completely wrong)

Pretty good except for declining the verbs!

Maybe we should have a poetry contest instead, lol

Also, the plural of malignh is malignhen. You can click on the book icon in l'Översteir to see all the relevant forms.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN]

Also, the plural of malignh is malignhen. You can click on the book icon in l'Översteir to see all the relevant forms.

Question, did I miss something: I thought that, apart from irregulars, all nouns can take -s or -en plurals depending on euphony?

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Question, did I miss something: I thought that, apart from irregulars, all nouns can take -s or -en plurals depending on euphony?

First declension nouns, i.e. those without any characteristic endings, take -s as their plural. The rule in '96 was that this ending changes to -en for euphonic reasons if the result would be hard to pronounce otherwise, which Ben called "technically optional, but universal". The rule since 2007 is that if a word ends in some specific sounds (s, sch, tsch, scht, xh, tx, z, glh, gnh, þ) then the plural must end in -en. Both rules yield the same results, more or less.

[Iac Marscheir]

Still really need to add <ð> to that list.

[Iac Marscheir]

Ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about goblins, in Talossan

El malignh, o supreße va
Per furtar tu or toctziua
L'atrapa viens fäts
Es riischà pü bäts
Vrätsmint isch o 'n cognha
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[Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat]

I am skeptical this will get a high participation rate but it sounds like a good idea. Has there ever been a coordinated effort to expand Talossan vocabulary? We have tens of thousands of words which is good for a conlang but it might be a fun exercise to have a word translation drive to expand the number of Talossan words even higher and improve the translator. AI might have some implications here.

Personally I think, more than words, we need: sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs.

L.L. Zamenhof felt that these were absolutely necessary to breathe life into a language. Say what you want about Esperanto, it is one of the most successful, well known, and most used conlangs.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

I am skeptical this will get a high participation rate but it sounds like a good idea. Has there ever been a coordinated effort to expand Talossan vocabulary? We have tens of thousands of words which is good for a conlang but it might be a fun exercise to have a word translation drive to expand the number of Talossan words even higher and improve the translator. AI might have some implications here.

Personally I think, more than words, we need: sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs.

L.L. Zamenhof felt that these were absolutely necessary to breathe life into a language. Say what you want about Esperanto, it is one of the most successful, well known, and most used conlangs.

I think they work together then. More words provide more opportunities for sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs to be developed naturally. If you see my motto then you will note it is a line from the Russell-Einstein Manifesto in Esperanto so definitely like the Zamenhof reference though.

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

I think they work together then. More words provide more opportunities for sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs to be developed naturally.

As you pointed out earlier Talossan already has tens of thousands of words, more than enough to have saying, colloquialisms and proverbs. Though their development depends on the language being used extensively, which so far has not been the case (the only person right now to do that is Iac), so ideally we would want a campaign to encourage citizens to learn and use the language instead.