[CULTURE] A Talossan Language Contest / Ünă Cumpetaziun da Mocts

Started by Miestră Schivă, UrN, October 19, 2024, 03:05:32 PM

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King Txec

In fact, I was chatting with the Count today and I made the joke that, like in England where they speak "The King's English," in Talossa, we speak "El Regeu se Glheþ" so if I say it, it's a word haha. (I channeled one of my favorite movies, King Ralph, to come to that thought!)
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

Quote from: Zilect Uómbat Firă on December 17, 2024, 03:20:26 PMTrying to find simple verbs like "been" or "was" returns "Your query didn't yield any results." or "no exact match" with a bunch of words that simply have those letters.

It would be super helpful if there was a searchable document that had the list of Talossan words with their English counterparts.

Like any other dictionary, you have to look up base forms. The base form of "been" and "was" is simply "be", and looking that up will give you the word estar as the main result. From there you can click on the word itself to find out how it is pronounced, or click the book icon on the right to get all the other grammatical forms.

A document as you describe it would be impossible because English words and Talossan words don't match 1-to-1. No two languages match that way.
Editing posts is my thing. My bad.
Feel free to PM me if you have a Glheþ translation request!

Miestră Schivă, UrN

This is a common problem with language learning among people who are monolingual, they assume precisely that - that other languages are "codes", the same rules as their own language but with the vocabulary swapped out. I remember being 10, trying to translate "I don't know" into German and looking up the word for "do".

This is why we need real, *real*, like baby-level Talossan 101 materials for people who don't even get that there are such things as verb conjugations.

Vote THE FREE DEMOCRATS OF TALOSSA
¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Barclamïu da Miéletz

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 17, 2024, 08:13:18 PMI remember being 10
I spoke two languages fluently at that age + decent English you could say (look I'm the child of migrants so obviously I will speak more than one language.)
Barclamïu da Miéletz,
Creator of Talossan number plates and Deputy Minister of STUFF, member of COFFEE and PSC in the Zouaves


Miestră Schivă, UrN

Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on December 17, 2024, 11:53:48 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 17, 2024, 08:13:18 PMI remember being 10
I spoke two languages fluently at that age + decent English you could say (look I'm the child of migrants so obviously I will speak more than one language.)

In my country, anyone* who learns a non-English language willingly is known to be a woke homosexual

(* this is slightly softened in the case of te reo Māori, in which case you're a dangerous political radical)

Vote THE FREE DEMOCRATS OF TALOSSA
¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 17, 2024, 08:13:18 PMThis is a common problem with language learning among people who are monolingual, they assume precisely that - that other languages are "codes", the same rules as their own language but with the vocabulary swapped out. I remember being 10, trying to translate "I don't know" into German and looking up the word for "do".

This is why we need real, *real*, like baby-level Talossan 101 materials for people who don't even get that there are such things as verb conjugations.

This is something that I remember asking for help with on Fora Talossa. It didn't get much uptake then. I am hoping to add more helpful and accurate editions to the ongoing Talossan 101 materials on FT and the call for help will hopefully be taken up there or by another group.

Barclamïu da Miéletz

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 18, 2024, 02:09:49 PM
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on December 17, 2024, 11:53:48 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 17, 2024, 08:13:18 PMI remember being 10
I spoke two languages fluently at that age + decent English you could say (look I'm the child of migrants so obviously I will speak more than one language.)

In my country, anyone* who learns a non-English language willingly is known to be a woke homosexual

(* this is slightly softened in the case of te reo Māori, in which case you're a dangerous political radical)
Interesting...
Barclamïu da Miéletz,
Creator of Talossan number plates and Deputy Minister of STUFF, member of COFFEE and PSC in the Zouaves


Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

I was motivated to write a short story for this competition by the money. It might be mercenary, but I have a lot of responsibilities and limited time. Doing something challenging that helps me learn is great, yet it's time away from other stuff I need to do. The chance of a small prize was a great motivator (which is maybe obvious, since it's the whole point of prizes).

I recently did a line-by-line translation of one stanza of a poem, and I think it might be beneficial to do such a thing for even simpler sentences and then make it accessible.  I think there's a grant program in the budget (or maybe there just used to be), so maybe I'll pitch that and see if it helps.  My Talossan isn't great, but it's better than nothing and probably it's infinitely easier to just make small fixes to someone else's lesson than to think through and write out the whole thing.
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

@Miestră Schivă, UrN , is the prize for this contest the whole of the available cultural grant money?
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on December 18, 2024, 03:34:19 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 17, 2024, 08:13:18 PMThis is a common problem with language learning among people who are monolingual, they assume precisely that - that other languages are "codes", the same rules as their own language but with the vocabulary swapped out. I remember being 10, trying to translate "I don't know" into German and looking up the word for "do".

This is why we need real, *real*, like baby-level Talossan 101 materials for people who don't even get that there are such things as verb conjugations.

This is something that I remember asking for help with on Fora Talossa. It didn't get much uptake then. I am hoping to add more helpful and accurate editions to the ongoing Talossan 101 materials on FT and the call for help will hopefully be taken up there or by another group.

*Crickets*

Miestră Schivă, UrN

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on December 19, 2024, 08:56:48 AM@Miestră Schivă, UrN , is the prize for this contest the whole of the available cultural grant money?

It is; but the Cabinet is discussing whether I should accept my prize or donate it straight back to the Ministry. If someone has an idea for another contest for which there could be a $25 gift card prize, then excellent

Vote THE FREE DEMOCRATS OF TALOSSA
¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

No, my idea would have been to apply for grant funds to develop three initial lessons along the same lines as my recent translation post, walking people through some basic grammar concepts and the translation process. But it's not pressing, and maybe I'll do it anyway sometime.
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

King Txec

If you go back to the old Proboards, all the lessons from the now defunct University are still there as well. I sometimes refer back there for my own needs.
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: King Txec on December 19, 2024, 02:13:45 PMIf you go back to the old Proboards, all the lessons from the now defunct University are still there as well. I sometimes refer back there for my own needs.

If these are not on video then perhaps those are ripe for presenting via Fora Talossa.

King Txec

TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk