[CRL] The Edited Whole Hopper Act

Started by Breneir Tzaracomprada, December 26, 2024, 01:20:52 PM

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Bringing back to the Hopper for review as it has been changed to accommodate comments by Ian and Tgerxh and to allow additional review and comments.

Whereas, the intent of the CRL to provide a forum for the improvement of bills was honorable, and

Whereas, this can be achieved with a longer stay in the Hopper and without that extra body.

Therefore, be in enacted, that the Ziu of the Kingdom of Talossa enacts the following changes in El Lexhatx:

H.2.1.5 through H.2.1.6.2 are repealed in their entirety:
Quote2.1.5. For each Cosă term is created a Comità da Redacziun Legislatïu (in english Legislative Advisory Committee), hereinafter "the CRL", which shall review or revise all legislative items from the Hopper once they have moved to committee; and may recommend acceptance or rejection , or suggest amendments in their best judgment.
2.1.5.1. The main, but not exclusive, purpose of the CRL, with the assistance of the Scribery, shall be to evaluate bills from the technical point of view of the quality of the legislation, the correctness of the language, the internal consistency of the document and consistency with existing legislation.
2.1.5.2. The CRL shall conduct all its deliberations openly in the Hopper.
2.1.5.3. The CRL shall consist of the incumbent Mençéi, Túischac'h, and Avocat-Xheneral.
2.1.5.3.1. The Mençéi, Túischac'h, and Avocat-Xheneral may at any time appoint and dismiss one Senator or one Membreu dal Cosă, to serve as a member of the CRL in their place.[716]
2.1.5.4. The CRL may create further committees to which their functions may be delegated, as concerns any bill or category of bills. Such a committee must have at least 3 members, including at least 1 Membreu dal Cosă and 1 Senator.
2.1.6. After the CRL has given its recommendation, or if it gives no recommendation within 30 days of the bill having passed to committee, the bill has passed the Hopper and the sponsor of the bill may ask for it to be Clarked, with or without amendments.
2.1.6.1. The same bill can not be submitted to the Clark more than once in the same Cosa, unless the original bill was vetoed, the original bill had been retired or voted down by its main sponsor during the voting period, or the bill has been substantially amended, as judged by the Secretary of State.
2.1.6.2. Bills must be submitted to the Secretary of State more than 24 hours before the publication of the Clark. Bills received less than 24 hours before publication of the Clark shall be published in the next Clark or postponed for one Clark, at the Secretary of State's discretion.

The current H.2.1.3 and H.2.1.4 are deleted and replaced with the following:

Quote2.1.3 A bill is said to have passed the Hopper and the sponsor of said bill may ask for it be clarked after satisfying both of the following conditions: It has spent at least 20 days in the Hopper, and at least two of the following officers (Mençéi, Túischac'h, and Avocat-Xheneral) have expressed that they have no objections after reviewing the bill from the technical point of view of the quality of the legislation, the correctness of the language, the internal consistency of the document and consistency with existing legislation; or it has spent at least 30 days in the Hopper without a recommendation from the above-mentioned officers responsible for review. For the purpose of the review described above, the Mençéi, Túischac'h, and Avocat-Xheneral may at any time appoint and dismiss one Senator or one Membreu dal Cosă, to serve as a reviewer of the Hopper bills in their place.
2.1.4 The same bill can not be submitted to the Clark more than once in the same Cosa, unless the original bill was vetoed, the original bill had been retired or voted down by its main sponsor during the voting period, or the bill has been substantially amended, as judged by the Secretary of State.
2.1.5 Bills must be submitted to the Secretary of State more than 24 hours before the publication of the Clark. Bills received less than 24 hours before publication of the Clark shall be published in the next Clark or postponed for one Clark, at the Secretary of State's discretion.

Nimis gaudiam habeo

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Hello
@Sir Lüc
@Glüc da Dhi S.H.
@Sir Ian Plätschisch

Would one of you please move this back to the CRL for new review?

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Breneir Tzaracomprada


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Sir Ian Plätschisch

The structure of the three new provisions is still confusing. For one thing, 2.1.4 says that 2.1.3 provides an exception to "passing the Hopper" even though 2.1.3 is entirely about "passing the Hopper", so it doesn't provide an exception. Also, unless I'm missing something, 2.1.4.1 doesn't say anything that 2.1.3 doesn't say already.
Sir Ian Plätschisch, UrN, GST
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Attorney-General and Minister of Finance
El Capitán da l'Altahál of the Royal Zouaves

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on January 11, 2025, 12:09:11 PMThe structure of the three new provisions is still confusing. For one thing, 2.1.4 says that 2.1.3 provides an exception to "passing the Hopper" even though 2.1.3 is entirely about "passing the Hopper", so it doesn't provide an exception. Also, unless I'm missing something, 2.1.4.1 doesn't say anything that 2.1.3 doesn't say already.

Thanks. I've edited and consolidated. Does this address the confusion?

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Sir Ian Plätschisch

Ohh, I see what happened. The existing version of 2.1.3 does have another exception in it, which is getting removed by the new 2.1.3. This explains the reference to the phantom exception. Are you intending to remove it

I would also remove the quotation marks around "passed the Hopper" in 2.1.3, since the same phrase appears without them in 2.1.2
Sir Ian Plätschisch, UrN, GST
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Attorney-General and Minister of Finance
El Capitán da l'Altahál of the Royal Zouaves

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on January 11, 2025, 01:43:28 PMOhh, I see what happened. The existing version of 2.1.3 does have another exception in it, which is getting removed by the new 2.1.3. This explains the reference to the phantom exception. Are you intending to remove it

I would also remove the quotation marks around "passed the Hopper" in 2.1.3, since the same phrase appears without them in 2.1.2

Correct, the only exception intended is for the bill to be considered passed in the Hopper should there be no review by at least two of the three reviewers. Quotation marks have been removed.

After another review of the items being repealed I re-added the lines concerning resubmitting the same bill and needing to be submitted to the SoS within 24 hrs of the clark too.

Nimis gaudiam habeo

Sir Ian Plätschisch

Sir Ian Plätschisch, UrN, GST
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Attorney-General and Minister of Finance
El Capitán da l'Altahál of the Royal Zouaves

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þerxh Sant-Enogat, SMC, MC
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