[REJECTED] The Pacific Realm Act

Started by Breneir Tzaracomprada, February 10, 2025, 04:23:33 PM

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 20, 2025, 10:10:59 AMIn many contexts, silence does not mean consent.

No, the problem still exists.  Maybe I'm not being clear, so let me just suggest this:

Therefore be it enacted by the Ziu of the Kingdom of Talossa that el Lexhatx D.2.4, which currently reads:

blahblah

shall be deleted in its entirety.

Furthermore, the whole of el Lexhatx I, which currently reads:

blahblah

shall be deleted in its entirety.

Furthermore, a new section C.1.8 shall be added, to read as follows:

blahblah

No you were not being clear. I will separate the deletions.
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Joy is that leaky bucket that lets me sometimes carry half a song. But what I intend for us, our claim, that joy is the justice we must give ourselves. -J. Drew Lanham

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Alright, the deletions have been separated as suggested.
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Joy is that leaky bucket that lets me sometimes carry half a song. But what I intend for us, our claim, that joy is the justice we must give ourselves. -J. Drew Lanham

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

There was also a problem with how you referring to the sections, which is why I wrote out a more specific way (specific problem is a failure to refer to the whole of I).  But okay.

I vote not to approve this bill.
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan

                   

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 20, 2025, 10:44:24 AMThere was also a problem with how you referring to the sections, which is why I wrote out a more specific way (specific problem is a failure to refer to the whole of I).  But okay.

I vote not to approve this bill.

Thank you Baron. I don't think there is any lack of clarity on the intent of the bill. Even the King explicitly stated understanding the entirety of I was being deleted when responding with his concerns.
Leader, Green Party
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Joy is that leaky bucket that lets me sometimes carry half a song. But what I intend for us, our claim, that joy is the justice we must give ourselves. -J. Drew Lanham

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

I think it is unlikely there will be much problem, especially given this extensive discussion, but I would do the same with any other bill that seemed ambiguous or poorly-drafted.  That's the whole point of the CRL.
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan

                   

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 20, 2025, 10:56:01 AMI think it is unlikely there will be much problem, especially given this extensive discussion, but I would do the same with any other bill that seemed ambiguous or poorly-drafted.  That's the whole point of the CRL.

It is not ambiguous but I appreciate the help with improving the bill.
Leader, Green Party
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Joy is that leaky bucket that lets me sometimes carry half a song. But what I intend for us, our claim, that joy is the justice we must give ourselves. -J. Drew Lanham

King Txec

This bill still deletes an entire Title of El Lex, and it removes a huge portion of the cultural life of Talossa. I still intend to veto this bill.

-Txec R
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: King Txec on July 20, 2025, 11:36:35 AMThis bill still deletes an entire Title of El Lex, and it removes a huge portion of the cultural life of Talossa. I still intend to veto this bill.

I initially took this out of the CRL to address your concerns, Your Majesty. I made changes and then asked for your review after making changes. You never responded unfortunately. Now, a month later, I am wondering what of Talossa's cultural life does the bill remove so that I can address that concern?
Leader, Green Party
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Joy is that leaky bucket that lets me sometimes carry half a song. But what I intend for us, our claim, that joy is the justice we must give ourselves. -J. Drew Lanham

King Txec

I likely missed the changes, sometimes Witt posts get buried. I am completely opposed to eliminating the entire military service.

-Txec R
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: King Txec on July 20, 2025, 12:10:36 PMI likely missed the changes, sometimes Witt posts get buried. I am completely opposed to eliminating the entire military service.

-Txec R

I wanted to clarify this bill repurposes the Zouaves as Talossa's combined "cultural and defence forces" so it does not eliminate our military. And allows those in external armed forces the same ability to serve there in uniform. I made those changes based on your opposition. Does this not address your concern?
Leader, Green Party
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Joy is that leaky bucket that lets me sometimes carry half a song. But what I intend for us, our claim, that joy is the justice we must give ourselves. -J. Drew Lanham

King Txec

Ok so I don't see the point in eliminating an entire Title, moving a portion of the deleted Title to another, thus leaving a huge gap in El Lex. I also am opposed to eliminating the Royal Navy. Just because YOU don't see any action there does not mean there is not.

What is the concern here, that the kingdom will engage in physical warfare? Why must we tinker with our culture and history and eliminate anything that might be fun to some people while causing no harm whatsoever?

I've made my objections clear as is my right as Monarch. I cannot stop this bill ultimately if the Ziu decides to override me.

-Txec R
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: King Txec on July 20, 2025, 12:25:07 PMOk so I don't see the point in eliminating an entire Title, moving a portion of the deleted Title to another, thus leaving a huge gap in El Lex. I also am opposed to eliminating the Royal Navy. Just because YOU don't see any action there does not mean there is not.

What is the concern here, that the kingdom will engage in physical warfare? Why must we tinker with our culture and history and eliminate anything that might be fun to some people while causing no harm whatsoever?

I've made my objections clear as is my right as Monarch. I cannot stop this bill ultimately if the Ziu decides to override me.

-Txec R

Your Majesty, I don't understand the hostile tone as I think I've been acting to accommodate your concerns throughout this process. Here's the good news, this bill is unlikely to pass so it is also unlikely you will need to use the royal veto. Of course, because I do support this effort I plan to move forward to guage support officially.
Leader, Green Party
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Joy is that leaky bucket that lets me sometimes carry half a song. But what I intend for us, our claim, that joy is the justice we must give ourselves. -J. Drew Lanham