Requesting move to the CRL

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

@Sir Lüc Mr. Secretary,

I am requesting moving of the following bills to the CRL for review:

Sense of the Ziu: Climate Emergency https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=3989.0
The Clarification on Confidentiality Act https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=3858.0
The Let the Chief Legal Advisor Advise Amendment https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=3843.0
The Charitable PermSec, Again Act https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=3803.0
The Flip Molinar Ziua Auservada Bill https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=3802.0

[Sir Lüc]

Senses of the Ziu are nonbinding resolutions, and do not need CRL review. All other bills have been moved.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Senses of the Ziu are nonbinding resolutions, and do not need CRL review. All other bills have been moved.

You've moved them (with CRL-like comments). Could you clarify if you are a member of the CRL as Secretary of State?

[Sir Lüc]

I'm not a member of the CRL, but I am both a member of the Scribery, which is legally bound to help draft bills and assist the CRL, and the Secretary of State, who would have ultimate authority about what goes on the Clark. I'm just trying to help with formatting and making sure a bill would work as intended, I'm not commenting on merit.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

I'm not a member of the CRL, but I am both a member of the Scribery, which is legally bound to help draft bills and assist the CRL, and the Secretary of State, who would have ultimate authority about what goes on the Clark. I'm just trying to help with formatting and making sure a bill would work as intended, I'm not commenting on merit.

Thank you Luc, you are not a member of this body. For the record, neither am I. I am genuinely thankful for your help but I have been increasingly concerned that the CRL is just another broad public review (Hopper #2) rather than a mandated fine-tuning by the specific named officials in cooperation with the sponsors and co-sponsors. This is why I proposed collapsing the CRL into a longer review period within the Hopper last term.

[Sir Lüc]

I'm not a member of the CRL, but I am both a member of the Scribery, which is legally bound to help draft bills and assist the CRL, and the Secretary of State, who would have ultimate authority about what goes on the Clark. I'm just trying to help with formatting and making sure a bill would work as intended, I'm not commenting on merit.

Thank you Luc, you are not a member of this body. For the record, neither am I. I am genuinely thankful for your help but I have been increasingly concerned that the CRL is just another broad public review (Hopper #2) rather than a mandated fine-tuning by the specific named officials in cooperation with the sponsors and co-sponsors. This is why I proposed collapsing the CRL into a longer review period within the Hopper last term.

This would be fair if my comments were on the merits of the bill, but I'm simply trying to help out with form and style (and in the case of the BHAID, consistency with existing legislation), which is what the CRL part of the Hopper is for and what the Scribery is legally called on to do; my comments were not intended as part of some "broad public review".

The main reasons I'm trying to help with these, and all other bills who will reach the CRL, are:

1. The CRL is short staffed, and also currently comprising an A-X who has never held public office before and a part-time Mençei;

2. Other than deputising for the Scribe I am now the Secretary of State, and while I cannot refuse bills except in very limited cases of obvious inOrganicity or huge flaws, I have an interest in ensuring all bills I put on the Clark are technically sound;

3. Additionally, by being the SoS I am no longer an MC, and not having to take a partisan position on each bill actually helps a lot in detaching from the merits and just focusing on "quality, correctness and consistency", which is exactly what the law calls on members of the Scribery to do.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

I'm not a member of the CRL, but I am both a member of the Scribery, which is legally bound to help draft bills and assist the CRL, and the Secretary of State, who would have ultimate authority about what goes on the Clark. I'm just trying to help with formatting and making sure a bill would work as intended, I'm not commenting on merit.

Thank you Luc, you are not a member of this body. For the record, neither am I. I am genuinely thankful for your help but I have been increasingly concerned that the CRL is just another broad public review (Hopper #2) rather than a mandated fine-tuning by the specific named officials in cooperation with the sponsors and co-sponsors. This is why I proposed collapsing the CRL into a longer review period within the Hopper last term.

This would be fair if my comments were on the merits of the bill, but I'm simply trying to help out with form and style (and in the case of the BHAID, consistency with existing legislation), which is what the CRL part of the Hopper is for and what the Scribery is legally called on to do; my comments were not intended as part of some "broad public review".

The main reasons I'm trying to help with these, and all other bills who will reach the CRL, are:

1. The CRL is short staffed, and also currently comprising an A-X who has never held public office before and a part-time Mençei;

2. Other than deputising for the Scribe I am now the Secretary of State, and while I cannot refuse bills except in very limited cases of obvious inOrganicity or huge flaws, I have an interest in ensuring all bills I put on the Clark are technically sound;

3. Additionally, by being the SoS I am no longer an MC, and not having to take a partisan position on each bill actually helps a lot in detaching from the merits and just focusing on "quality, correctness and consistency", which is exactly what the law calls on members of the Scribery to do.

Thank you Luc, again, I've said thank you for your review but you are not a member of this body nor are you an author, sponsor, or cosponsor of the legislation. There is a Scribery board for these comments, or the Hopper, but the CRL, is for its members to evaluate the legislation, and you are not a member in principle or ex-officio. My understanding of the legislation could be wrong though.

Again, thanks for assisting but my interest is in clearly defining, if necessary, who can engage in interventions in the CRL threads.

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

My understanding of the legislation could be wrong though.

Yes, you are indeed wrong.

As the law says:

The main, but not exclusive, purpose of the CRL, with the assistance of the Scribery, shall be to evaluate bills from the technical point of view of the quality of the legislation, the correctness of the language, the internal consistency of the document and consistency with existing legislation.

The CRL is a small group of legislators whose specific attention is to the form of a bill, ensuring that it is technically correct.  It has often spilled over into further detailed discussion of its merits, which is not exactly its purpose but also isn't against any rules.  The Scribery is specifically tasked with assisting the CRL in this role, as he noted.  Sir Luc is a member of the Scribery, as he noted.  He is scrupulously correct with regards to his assistance.

Further, all citizens are welcome at all times to comment on all legislation under consideration in the Hopper at any stage.  This is specifically stated in the law: "All citizens of Talossa are entitled to participate fully in discussions and debates in the Hopper" (Lexh.H.2.1.1).

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

It would be nice if the Attorney General @Dr. Pôl dal Nordselvă and the Mençéi @þerxh Sant-Enogat could chime in in the next 24 hours...

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

It would be nice if the Attorney General @Dr. Pôl dal Nordselvă and the Mençéi @þerxh Sant-Enogat could chime in in the next 24 hours...

+1 Dr. Pol and Tgerxh
I am hoping to make requested revisions this evening and can add any additional suggestions pretty quickly.

[Dr. Pôl dal Nordselvă]

Hi, I apologize for my tardiness. Between losing/damaging my phone and having to replace it and other issues I fell a bit behind. I'm reviewing everything now after a gentle reminder from his Majesty.

[þerxh Sant-Enogat]

Done (thanks to May 1st day off)