Cross-Party Joint Statement

Started by Baron Alexandreu Davinescu, April 26, 2025, 09:46:44 AM

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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Quote from: King Txec on May 23, 2025, 02:54:53 PMAbsolutely.

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  • Third offense: Account locked from posting for seven days
  • Fourth offense: Account permanently locked from posting except for X boards.

-Txec R


This seems reasonable for the most part -- anyone have any disagreement with this basic approach?

I'm not sure about permanent consequences without judicial proceedings.  Perhaps the fourth offense should be criminalized somehow?
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Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 01, 2025, 10:50:28 PMPerhaps the fourth offense should be criminalized somehow?

My first impulse would be to create an offence of "disturbing the peace", which would - among other things - include wilful disregard of Wittiquette and defiance of Witt moderators

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BTW, you guys may be amused to learn that an ¡Avant! legislator who's a less regular Witt follower asked me what in blazes "this word salad" was supposed to mean, referring to 61RZ17 :D

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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 02, 2025, 04:41:06 PMMy first impulse would be to create an offence of "disturbing the peace", which would - among other things - include wilful disregard of Wittiquette and defiance of Witt moderators
I would be open to that. The trick will be defining it in a way that doesn't threaten civil liberties.
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Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 02, 2025, 06:08:10 PMI would be open to that. The trick will be defining it in a way that doesn't threaten civil liberties.

Perhaps the model should be El Lexh A.7.2.4., the existing Contempt of Court provisions? Witt moderators are the analogy of peace officers.

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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

7.2.4. Contempt of court. Contempt of court is a serious misdemeanour consisting of intentional:
7.2.4.1. Misconduct in the presence of the court which interferes with a court proceeding or with the administration of justice, or which impairs the respect due the court;
7.2.4.2. Disobedience, resistance or obstruction of the authority, process or order of a court;
7.2.4.3. Refusal as a witness to appear, be sworn or answer a question; or
7.2.4.4. Refusal to produce a record, document or other object.

Yeah, I like it.  Makes sense to me, particularly looking at 7.2.4.1.
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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 02, 2025, 04:42:41 PMBTW, you guys may be amused to learn that an ¡Avant! legislator who's a less regular Witt follower asked me what in blazes "this word salad" was supposed to mean, referring to 61RZ17 :D
Someday, this stuff will be in history books, and it will be very funny.
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Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 02, 2025, 07:42:03 PM7.2.4. Contempt of court. Contempt of court is a serious misdemeanour consisting of intentional:
7.2.4.1. Misconduct in the presence of the court which interferes with a court proceeding or with the administration of justice, or which impairs the respect due the court;
7.2.4.2. Disobedience, resistance or obstruction of the authority, process or order of a court;
7.2.4.3. Refusal as a witness to appear, be sworn or answer a question; or
7.2.4.4. Refusal to produce a record, document or other object.

Yeah, I like it.  Makes sense to me, particularly looking at 7.2.4.1.

Should also point out Lexh.A.7.3.2: "Whoever commits fraud or harassment against any citizen or "judicial person" under Talossan law is guilty of a serious misdemeanour. Whoever commits threats of the above is guilty of a misdemeanour." (emphasis not added by myself)
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King Txec

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 02, 2025, 06:38:09 PMPerhaps the model should be El Lexh A.7.2.4., the existing Contempt of Court provisions? Witt moderators are the analogy of peace officers.

I had the concept a while back and even mentioned it of establishing the role of some form of law enforcement officer to enforce Wittiquette. Perhaps it is worth looking in to establishing a kind of peace officer role for a Witt moderator with some judicial authority analogous to law enforcement officers. This Witt cop, for lack of a better term, could work under the auspices of the A-X to enforce Witt, especially when it comes to more severe enforcement such as long term bans (think of being jailed while awaiting trial). Just some ideas at 3:44 AM but maybe worth considering?

-Txec R
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Do we think the whole kit and kaboodle of our harassment laws should be refined with an eye towards this reform, or do we want to move forward with a new specific charge intended for this use-case?  I'd lean towards the latter, but I'm open to either possibility.
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