[CRL] The STUFF Decluttering Act

Started by Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be, June 02, 2025, 10:52:51 AM

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Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on June 04, 2025, 04:51:06 PMOkay, I think I've figured it out.

The Ministry of STUFF to be reconfigured to be about "making stuff"- "the design and production of "physical embodiments of Talossanity", whether for distribution to citizens, to publicise the Kingdom to outsiders, or to sell for profit." (I prefer a PermSec to be in charge of actually making the stuff.)

A Ministry of Propaganda to be set up for "for the internal and external promotion of the Kingdom, all events therein and all things Talossan through public relations, and shall dutifully ensure that the Kingdom and its events are regularly publicised and may use any means and media available to them to achieve this. The Ministry of Propaganda shall be directly responsible for the content of one or more websites and/or social media accounts named as the 'official' website(s) and social media account(s) of the Kingdom."

A Ministry of Information to take on ensuring the availability, for all Talossans, of "information necessary for or useful to citizenship". This would mean, in concrete terms right now, La C'hronica and Infoteca.

I still think that the test taken to authorise ID cards should come under "Culture".

So we are going the route of creating more ministries rather than using the Civil Service? This seems like a change from the election message from Avant...

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Sir Lüc

Quick note that the Royal Household, which is cited in the first amending clause, has essentially been superseded by the Royal Civil Service.

Otherwise I think the tripartition proposed by Miestra is a good starting point.
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Secretary of State / Secretar d'Estat

Sir Lüc

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on June 03, 2025, 07:02:53 PM
Quote from: Sir Lüc on June 03, 2025, 08:34:55 AMI for one am glad we're increasing the number of portfolios rather than axing them. It may be counterintuitive, but it adds way more flexibility to deal with fluctuating activity levels and managing individual ministers's workload.

Assuming you can find an extra Cabinet minister, and you're not just chopping one hat into two

I do not disagree but that's a separate issue. If anything, more modular ministries could help finding extra appointees, as you could hand out smaller jobs with fewer duties. In your own example, the new MinInfo would have two main tasks, each to be performed once per month, and the latter of which usually takes just a few minutes to do.
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Secretary of State / Secretar d'Estat

Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

Right. So here's how the Tripartite Division might work, if we go back to the "expanding the Civil Service" ideology.

So add to Title C:

QuoteC.1.8. The Directorate of STUFF, headed by the Director of STUFF, responsible for the production of "physical embodiments of Talossanity", whether for distribution to citizens, to publicise the Kingdom to outsiders, or to sell for profit, at the direction of and in collaboration with the King or the Government.

QUESTION: right now the Royal Bank and Post is in charge of making stamps and coins. Should we move the *manufacture* of these to the Directorate of STUFF, leading RB&P in charge of design?

Amend Title D section 2.10 as follows:

Quote2.10 The Minister of STUFF Propaganda, heading the Ministry of STUFF (Ministrà del Sanavar da Talossa al Ultra-Fiôvân Folâs) Propaganda, which shall be responsible for the internal and external promotion of the Kingdom, all events therein and all things Talossan through public relations, and shall dutifully ensure that the Kingdom and its events are regularly publicised and may use any means and media available to them to achieve this. [331]

    2.10.1 The Minister of STUFF Propaganda shall be directly responsible for the content of one or more websites and/or social media accounts named as the 'official' website(s) and social media account(s) of the Kingdom. [332]
    2.10.2. The Ministry of STUFF shall be in charge of TalossaWare, that is, the production of "physical embodiments of Talossanity", whether for distribution to citizens, to publicise the Kingdom to outsiders, or to sell for profit. [333]
    2.10.3 The Ministry of STUFF shall be responsible for ensuring the availability, for all Talossans, of the following:

        a) the records of the Scribery as described in C.1.2[r 8] ;
        b) up-to-date information on the personnel of all Government, Royal Household, Civil Service and Chancery office-holders.

New subsection 2.11:

Quote2.11 The Minister of Information, heading the Minister of Information, which shall be responsible for ensuring the availability, for all Talossans, of the following:

        a) the records of the Scribery as described in C.1.2[r 8] ;
        b) up-to-date information on the personnel of all Government, Royal Household, Civil Service and Chancery office-holders;
c) any other information necessary for or useful to citizens, including but not limited to reports and data about Talossan life and Government activity.

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Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on June 15, 2025, 07:16:02 PMRight. So here's how the Tripartite Division might work, if we go back to the "expanding the Civil Service" ideology.

So add to Title C:

QuoteC.1.8. The Directorate of STUFF, headed by the Director of STUFF, responsible for the production of "physical embodiments of Talossanity", whether for distribution to citizens, to publicise the Kingdom to outsiders, or to sell for profit, at the direction of and in collaboration with the King or the Government.

QUESTION: right now the Royal Bank and Post is in charge of making stamps and coins. Should we move the *manufacture* of these to the Directorate of STUFF, leading RB&P in charge of design?

I have amended the OP text of the bill to include this change as Provision 1, though I did change it to "in collaboration with the King and the Government". I think it's fair to say that the RB&P (headed by the Finance Minister by default) has the discretion to task the Directorate of STUFF with stamp and coin production, since that would be "at the direction of...the Government". Provision 2 helps streamline this somewhat, since it states that the Director of STUFF reports to the Finance Minister; since the Ministries of Propaganda and Information both deal with other issues, it seems to me that the logical Ministry overseeing the STUFF Directorate would be the one that could be selling its products.

QuoteAmend Title D section 2.10 as follows:

Quote2.10 The Minister of STUFF Propaganda, heading the Ministry of STUFF (Ministrà del Sanavar da Talossa al Ultra-Fiôvân Folâs) Propaganda, which shall be responsible for the internal and external promotion of the Kingdom, all events therein and all things Talossan through public relations, and shall dutifully ensure that the Kingdom and its events are regularly publicised and may use any means and media available to them to achieve this. [331]

    2.10.1 The Minister of STUFF Propaganda shall be directly responsible for the content of one or more websites and/or social media accounts named as the 'official' website(s) and social media account(s) of the Kingdom. [332]
    2.10.2. The Ministry of STUFF shall be in charge of TalossaWare, that is, the production of "physical embodiments of Talossanity", whether for distribution to citizens, to publicise the Kingdom to outsiders, or to sell for profit. [333]
    2.10.3 The Ministry of STUFF shall be responsible for ensuring the availability, for all Talossans, of the following:

        a) the records of the Scribery as described in C.1.2[r 8] ;
        b) up-to-date information on the personnel of all Government, Royal Household, Civil Service and Chancery office-holders.

Done as Provision 3.

QuoteNew subsection 2.11:

Quote2.11 The Minister of Information, heading the Minister of Information, which shall be responsible for ensuring the availability, for all Talossans, of the following:

        a) the records of the Scribery as described in C.1.2[r 8] ;
        b) up-to-date information on the personnel of all Government, Royal Household, Civil Service and Chancery office-holders;
c) any other information necessary for or useful to citizens, including but not limited to reports and data about Talossan life and Government activity.

I have inserted this as Provision 4, with one exception -- I removed your D.2.11(b), since it would appear to overlap the already-in-force Lexh.D.1.5. (This is the case with the current D.2.10.3(a) as well.)
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Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

To which Government Ministry should the Director of STUFF be responsible under El Lexhatx C.2?

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Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on June 24, 2025, 05:23:35 PMTo which Government Ministry should the Director of STUFF be responsible under El Lexhatx C.2?

Provision 2 already adds the Director of STUFF under the Ministry of Finance, as I felt that made the most sense for a position involved in producing things we may intend to sell; the STUFF Ministry would be divided into two, neither of which retain oversight over making things, so I felt the Finance Ministry would be the best fit of pre-existing portfolios.

(Unless of course this was a question you were posing to the thread to see if anyone had other suggestions?)
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Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

@Sir Lüc Mr. Secretary, please move this bill to the CRL.
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Sir Lüc

Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Secretary of State / Secretar d'Estat

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Seems fine in form and function, and I vote to approve.
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Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

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þerxh Sant-Enogat

The proposed modification of Title C, Section 2 of El Lexhatx
QuoteWith the exception of the Secretary of State and the Permanent Secretaries, every Office of the Royal Civil Service shall be assigned to a responsible Minister of the Government as named below, to report and consult concerning the conduct of their office as and when requested, necessary or useful. Officers are not subject to the direction of their responsible Minister except as required by Organic and statutory law. The Scribe of Abbavilla shall be responsible to the Attorney-General, the Royal Archivist to the STUFF Minister, the Burgermeister of Inland Revenue and the Director of STUFF to the Minister of Finance, and the President of the Royal Society and the Poet Laureate to the Minister of Culture.
should be corrected as
QuoteWith the exception of the Secretary of State and the Permanent Secretaries, every Office of the Royal Civil Service shall be assigned to a responsible Minister of the Government as named below, to report and consult concerning the conduct of their office as and when requested, necessary or useful. Officers are not subject to the direction of their responsible Minister except as required by Organic and statutory law. The Scribe of Abbavilla shall be responsible to the Attorney-General, the Royal Archivist to the Minister of Public Records, the Burgermeister of Inland Revenue and the Director of STUFF to the Minister of Finance, and the President of the Royal Society and the Poet Laureate to the Minister of Culture.
and the Title D, Section 2.11 of El Lexhatx newly created
QuoteThe Minister of Public Records, heading the Ministry of Public Records (Ministrà dallas Adnalăs Püblici), which shall be responsible for ensuring the availability, for all Talossans, of the following:
        2.11.1. The records of the Scribery as described in C.1.2; and
        2.11.2. Any other information necessary for or useful to citizens, including but not limited to reports and data about Talossan life and Government activity.
should be corrected as
QuoteThe Minister of Public Records, heading the Ministry of Public Records (Ministrà dallas Adnalăs Püblici), which shall be responsible for ensuring the availability, for all Talossans, of the following:
        2.11.1. The records of the Scribery as described in C.1.3; and
        2.11.2. Any other information necessary for or useful to citizens, including but not limited to reports and data about Talossan life and Government activity.
 
þerxh Sant-Enogat
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Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on July 31, 2025, 04:04:42 AMThe proposed modification of Title C, Section 2 of El Lexhatx should be corrected asand the Title D, Section 2.11 of El Lexhatx newly created should be corrected as

Both good catches, changes made.
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þerxh Sant-Enogat

 
þerxh Sant-Enogat
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M:sr Pôl dal Nordselvă, D.Div, M.Ed

The changes seem appropriate and has my support. Thanks once again for all the hard work!