[PASSED] The Census Review Act

Started by Sir Lüc, June 08, 2025, 12:23:44 PM

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Sir Ian Plätschisch

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Every method of bucketing is going to have some conceivable issue (for example, I'm Protestant, but I'm much closer to Catholicism than I am to some other denominations considered Protestant)

Consistency is probably best barring a very compelling reason to change.

Sir Ian Plätschisch, UrN, GST

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on June 10, 2025, 11:53:19 AMEvery method of bucketing is going to have some conceivable issue (for example, I'm Protestant, but I'm much closer to Catholicism than I am to some other denominations considered Protestant)

Consistency is probably best barring a very compelling reason to change.



But you have more self-descriptive options, as a Christian, to describe your faith than a Jewish, Buddhist, or non-religious respondent despite the fact that those faiths also have denominations or sectarian subdivisions too. That is the compelling reason in my opinion. We have no practical need for the additional options for Christians and Muslims beyond general interest and the data are also not tied to any existing or currently planned programs that I know of. What is questionable, then, to me is that we would have more interest in a breakdown for Christian and Muslim respondents than any other faith. If that is not the case then there seems little issue with making the change.

I am less concerned with consistency between censuses because this is not a huge and disruptive change. I am more concerned with consistency as the options are presented to respondents as a matter of fairness.
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King Txec

I'm curious why this wasn't an issue during the last census when you were the Seneschal but it seems like an issue now. I'm not casting any aspersions, but it does seem as if you might be looking for an issue when there really isn't much of one. Frankly, if this is really a big deal, we should just remove the religion question entirely if we really are making those of other faiths uncomfortable.

However, any data analyst will tell you that data must be consistent for it to mean anything, so changing the questions between censuses will give wrong conclusions. Of course, did we actually do anything at all with the data from the last census? The only effect I think it had in practice was maintenance of the citizenship rolls.

-Txec R
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Quote from: King Txec on June 10, 2025, 02:47:44 PMI'm curious why this wasn't an issue during the last census when you were the Seneschal but it seems like an issue now. I'm not casting any aspersions, but it does seem as if you might be looking for an issue when there really isn't much of one. Frankly, if this is really a big deal, we should just remove the religion question entirely if we really are making those of other faiths uncomfortable.

However, any data analyst will tell you that data must be consistent for it to mean anything, so changing the questions between censuses will give wrong conclusions. Of course, did we actually do anything at all with the data from the last census? The only effect I think it had in practice was maintenance of the citizenship rolls.

-Txec R

It honestly didn't come to mind when I was seneschal probably because I was focused on matters related to working with you on the National Skills Survey if I recall correctly which was a great deal of fun. Unfortunately, that didn't end up developing into its intended purpose. I am not sure why we would rather remove the question entirely than just make it standardized in presentation. That is kind of a weird and overly dramatic response especially if it is not such a big issue, King. I am a former data analyst (five years in the Seniors and Disabilities Unit of the Department of Health) for the State of Alaska...and still don't see such a simple change as negatively impacting data quality.
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Sir Lüc

Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on June 09, 2025, 01:55:45 AMNo questions should be mandatory

This is already the case as per Lexh.C.1.2.2.1.
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Secretary of State / Secretar d'Estat

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Maybe let's not worry about people getting hypothetically offended on this one, so we can keep the data consistent.
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan

                   

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 10, 2025, 05:11:16 PMMaybe let's not worry about people getting hypothetically offended on this one, so we can keep the data consistent.

Sure, Baron. We won't worry about people getting offended on this one. :)
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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Hypothetically offended, yes. If someone is legitimately offended, that will be different, and we can cross that bridge when we come to it.
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan

                   

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 10, 2025, 06:54:28 PMHypothetically offended, yes. If someone is legitimately offended, that will be different, and we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

Sure, Baron.
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Sir Lüc

Added questions on age and civil status (as on the previous census) and on education level (seems to make sense for a census).
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Secretary of State / Secretar d'Estat