[CLARKED] Substitute CRLer Act

Started by Breneir Tzaracomprada, July 05, 2025, 06:31:33 PM

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Whereas, a bill requires the approval of at least two of the three members of the CRL in order to be Clarked, and

Whereas, the position of Avocat-Xheneral can be filled on a caretaker basis between elections, and the Senäts is never dissolved, and

Whereas, unlike the Senäts, the Cosă is dissolved between elections, automatically reducing the committee of three down to its minimum number of approvers, and

Whereas, this lack of provision for a substitute member could create unnecessary difficulties in registering legislation for the first Clark following an election, and

Whereas, in the absence of a speedier procedure to choose a Túischac'h the current Scribe has no reservations with briefly serving as substitute CRL member.

Therefore, be it resolved, that the Ziu of the Kingdom of Talossa, amends el Lexhatx Title H, Section 2.1.5.3 which currently reads as:

Quote2.1.5.3. The CRL shall consist of the incumbent Mençéi, Túischac'h, and Avocat-Xheneral.

to read as follows:

Quote2.1.5.3. The CRL shall consist of the incumbent Mençéi, Túischac'h, Avocat-Xheneral. During periods where the office of Túischac'h is vacant, the Scribe of Abbavilla serves in the capacity normally served by the Túischac'h.

Furthermore, el Lexhatx Title H, Section 2.1.5.3.1 which currently reads as:

QuoteThe Mençéi, Túischac'h, and Avocat-Xheneral may at any time appoint and dismiss one Senator or one Membreu dal Cosă, to serve as a member of the CRL in their place.

is amended to read as follows:

Quote2.1.5.3.1. The Mençéi, Túischac'h, and Avocat-Xheneral may at any time appoint and dismiss one Senator or one Membreu dal Cosă, to serve as a member of the CRL in their place as long as the delegator holds their position.

Uréu q'estadra så: Breneir Tzaracomprada - (MC-Green)

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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

What did the Scribe say when you asked his opinion about this?
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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 05, 2025, 06:52:51 PMWhat did the Scribe say when you asked his opinion about this?

I'm interested in yours too, Baron.
I didn't imagine much opposition from the current Scribe.
@Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be I've been watching your consistent work on TalossaWiki.

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Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

On the one hand, this would appear to be a fairly rare use case -- quite literally only relevant in the lead-up to the first Clark of a Cosa session.

On the other hand, this very Cosa session demonstrated that issues can and do occur with nominating a Túischac'h in a timely manner.

For my part, I think the best remedy is for the Cosa to settle on a Túischac'h sooner rather that later, though I would have no reservations about stepping in as necessary should this bill pass.

The big caveat is -- what happens if the Scribe is already serving as the A-X or the Mençéi?
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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 05, 2025, 08:31:45 PMOn the one hand, this would appear to be a fairly rare use case -- quite literally only relevant in the lead-up to the first Clark of a Cosa session.

On the other hand, this very Cosa session demonstrated that issues can and do occur with nominating a Túischac'h in a timely manner.

For my part, I think the best remedy is for the Cosa to settle on a Túischac'h sooner rather that later, though I would have no reservations about stepping in as necessary should this bill pass.

The big caveat is -- what happens if the Scribe is already serving as the A-X or the Mençéi?

Thank you Mic'halgh, something else I was thinking is that we just make the position continuous until the MC either leaves the Cosa, resigns the position, or is removed. So once the Cosa comes back into session if the last speaker returns and there is no objection to their continuing, then no need for a new selection process. Maybe the Dean of the Cosa could ask for objections on Day 1.

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 05, 2025, 08:31:45 PMFor my part, I think the best remedy is for the Cosa to settle on a Túischac'h sooner rather that later, though I would have no reservations about stepping in as necessary should this bill pass.

@Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be
As an MZ who is also the current Scribe, would you be interested in co-sponsoring this bill?

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Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on July 06, 2025, 11:33:39 AM@Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be
As an MZ who is also the current Scribe, would you be interested in co-sponsoring this bill?


While I appreciate the invite, I'll let you run with this one on your own. I look forward to seeing which path forward you decide to take.
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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 07, 2025, 11:57:03 PMWhile I appreciate the invite, I'll let you run with this one on your own. I look forward to seeing which path forward you decide to take.

Very well, thanks for your consideration

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@Sir Lüc

Hello Mr. Secretary, when possible, would you please move this to the CRL?

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Sir Lüc

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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

This bill is fine in form and function, and so I vote to advance this out of committee.
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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Personally, this seems like an added complication that we don't need, since under current law there's always a quorum.
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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 20, 2025, 10:08:09 AMPersonally, this seems like an added complication that we don't need, since under current law there's always a quorum.

How is it complicated to automatically have the Scribe serve as a brief substitute, Baron? This seems pretty simple actually.

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þerxh Sant-Enogat

No objection to the clarking of this bill.
One remark : if the office of Túischac'h becomes vacant, and in case 2.1.5.3.1 has been used by the Túischac'h
Quote2.1.5.3.1. The Mençéi, Túischac'h, and Avocat-Xheneral may at any time appoint and dismiss one Senator or one Membreu dal Cosă, to serve as a member of the CRL in their place.
then I suppose that the delegatee MZ is automatically dismissed from the CRL.
If this is not clear, I would add "as long as the delegator holds their position" to 2.1.5.3.1
 
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