SIGN rules

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

So how should a new language organisation operate? Open thread.

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If you're interested in comparison, the old CÚG rules are attached.

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Some off-the-cuff ideas I had at 1:30am:

Setup:

   
• Automatic membership for (former) CÚGers when they ask for it, to make the transition easier
• As little bureaucracy as possible: there's no need for (sub)committees or strict hierarchies when we're only ~4 people
• Voting on proposals as they come up: the CÚG used to collect proposals into 'packages' of sorts to be voted on before a fixed date (that being Llimbaziuă) which strikes me as superfluous as of now

Methodology:

   
• Emphasis on descriptivism: despite my constantly annoying people around me because of spelling stuff, SIGN should not walk around and proclaim what is and isn't correct, that's the speakers' job. the Scurzniă Gramatică explicitly stated that only the CÚG can authorise the introduction and use of new words which is painfully ass-backwards. At most SIGN should recommend stuff for consistency's and/or good style's sake, no more and no less.
• Research on older forms of Talossan: does anyone know what, say, mid-80s Talossan look like? Wouldn't it be useful to know what it looked like in at least some circumstances? We should definitely try to research that more.

What else?

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

I like everything you're saying here - a refreshing new approach, a clean break with the old era.

Research on older forms of Talossan:[/b] does anyone know what, say, mid-80s Talossan look like? Wouldn't it be useful to know what it looked like in at least some circumstances? We should definitely try to research that more.

Here's a historical sketch of the evolution of the language from KR1, written in the late 90s.  Sadly most of the actual texts would be in old issues of Støtanneu which have never been put online and only exist in KR1's archives, though there are very brief extracts in the 1992 History of Talossa.

[Iac Marscheir]

I wrote this quite a while back. I hope some of these ideas can be helpful.

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

My most immediate feedback is that you should charge your phone. It's making me anxious.

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Oh, something that we have to get done ASAP once SIGN has formed is updating talossan.com, urgently.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Iac's suggested SIGN rules are more complicated than the existing CÚG rules which broke down under apathy.

I say: start as simply as possible, add complexity over time if necessary.

[Iac Marscheir]

Yes, they drew criticism at the time for requiring more people than were willing to learn the language. I'm not under the illusion that that'll be adopted, but I do think there are some quality concepts buried in it.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu Ac’hlerglünä da Lhiun]

I have now made a Google document for creating a corpus and I NEED THE HELP OF ALL THE SIGN MEMBERS PRESENT OR FUTURE! If you want access to the Google Document, please drop me a line, and I will provide you with a link!

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Alright folks. Those are the rules for the new SIGN, unless anyone raises any objections till, let's say, Monday?

Rule 1
The name of this organisation is "La Società per l'Ilesnaziun del Glheþ Naziunal", or "SIGN" for short. SIGN's logo is a Bicoloreu circle with blue arrows coming out of it in every cardinal direction. The flag of the Talossan language and its speakers is a horizontal tricolour of black, white and grey in proportion 1:1:2.

Rule 2
SIGN's goals are
- to document, preserve and proliferate the Talossan language,
- to recommend a standard language for government use, and
- to provide glheþinations wherever they are needed.

Rule 3
Anyone who is interested can ask to join SIGN. If a majority of members support this, the applicant becomes a full member. If the applicant was a member of the Comità per l'Útzil del Glheþ as of Llimbaziuă 2019/XL, the voting is skipped and they become a full member immediately.

Rule 4
A SIGN member can suggest a change to the recommended standard language or this set of SIGN rules at any time. If at least a two-thirds majority of members support this, the change comes into effect on the last Sunday of the following month.

Rule 5
SIGN shall regularly publish a journal outlining upcoming changes to the standard or other information that could be relevant to the Ladintsch community. SIGN shall also keep all materials under its purview up-to-date at all times.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

I have absolutely no objections to this. Well done.

I wonder if Cresti Sierviciul or anyone else has the final membership rolls for the CÚG to help us? I'm pretty sure I'm a CÚG member but I can't actually remember

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

OK, it's official. I hereby declare SIGN open for business.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

I officially apply for SIGN membership. When are we going to have a website where the Official Rules are displayed? Or at least a TalossaWiki page?

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

I officially apply for SIGN membership.

As per Rule 3, you automatically become a member. Welcome aboard!

When are we going to have a website where the Official Rules are displayed? Or at least a TalossaWiki page?

That's an excellent question. I'm currently preoccupied with Uni stuff, otherwise I would do that myself.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

You're welcome.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

I have a question from the incoming Cultural Development Secretary. What is the SIGN process for formally adopting new Talossan words into the lexicon/Overstéir/Treisour?

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

I have a question from the incoming Cultural Development Secretary. What is the SIGN process for formally adopting new Talossan words into the lexicon/Overstéir/Treisour?

I can think of two approaches:

• We could sift through recently published Talossan texts and check if they contain any new words that have become popular. We'd then vote on whether to add them in an upcoming Pienamaintsch.
• We could have a form where Ladintschen send us suggestions for new words and where the word comes from (as in the etymology for it), and then we'd vote on those suggestions as explained above.

This isn't a question of either/or, we could do both.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Here's the direct quote from the PermSecCultDev:

Suppose I have created some new Talossan words. (Which I have.) Is there any approval system for getting new words entered into the Treisour and L'Oversteier? Like, SIGN having a committee of Talossan language experts who will review submitted words, see if they are Talossanically correct, and if so, into the official Talossan lexicon they go? (Talossan already has a fantastic vocabulary for a constructed language, but even so, I've found the need to make up new words.) (I was going to add, any citizen who creates five new words that are approved by the SIGN committee gets to move up a rank in the Zouaves, but since AD is going to be gone for awhile,I guess we'll have to scrap that idea.) (I know we should probably be more concerned about people actually learning Talossan than worrying about gaps in the vocabulary, but...I just like words! I use L'Oversteier almost every day.)

We really need that Pienamaintsch for the Provisional Rules so we can update l'Oversteir and older translations, btw.

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Let's see if this works.

Please let me know if I forgot about something. I tried to get this document up as quick as possible and its currently 4:40 AM...

EDIT: Considering how similar the Provisional Standard seems to be to the 2007-2019 CÚG spelling, honestly I'm surprised that you were so on board with it.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

My priority is some consensus, any consensus, which allows us to move forward. My entire philosophy of Talossa is that I much prefer that something happen and someone take responsibility, even if it's something I don't like, than we just whine and cry and argue and wonder why people aren't interested in Talossa anymore.