Ceadfă del Ziu: Restoration of National Honour

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Well given the fact that the majority of subjects still resent him, I think it only be fair to change the method of restoring KR1's nationality.

That's not my point. I feel like you should've asked before making any sweeping changes like that.

[Mximo Malt]

Well given the fact that the majority of subjects still resent him, I think it only be fair to change the method of restoring KR1's nationality.

That's not my point. I feel like you should've asked before making any sweeping changes like that.

And just who, pray tell, should I have asked?

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

And just who, pray tell, should I have asked?

The people who put their signature on this bill before you made these changes, perhaps. Or the Seneschal whom you want to chair a T&RC.

[King Txec]

With regret, the Whereas clauses are so loaded with bias and possible untruths, if this bill were to make it to a vote in the Ziu as written, and should it pass, I will veto it. I mean seriously, you weren't even alive in 1979 so saying that President Carter ruled with an iron fist is extremely melodramatic.

There are citizens who were here during his rule and your clauses refute, without any direct knowledge, their experiences.

-Txec R

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

With regret, the Whereas clauses are so loaded with bias and possible untruths, if this bill were to make it to a vote in the Ziu as written, and should it pass, I will veto it. I mean seriously, you weren't even alive in 1979 so saying that President Carter ruled with an iron fist is extremely melodramatic.

There are citizens who were here during his rule and your clauses refute, without any direct knowledge, their experiences.

-Txec R

I actually understood that to be classic Talossan hyperbole.

On the bill, I would suggest that a good first step would be making a visitor's account for him, and reaching out to invite him to use it. And the bill could be a good barometer of the nation's openness to that.

[Mximo Malt]

With regret, the Whereas clauses are so loaded with bias and possible untruths, if this bill were to make it to a vote in the Ziu as written, and should it pass, I will veto it. I mean seriously, you weren't even alive in 1979 so saying that President Carter ruled with an iron fist is extremely melodramatic.

There are citizens who were here during his rule and your clauses refute, without any direct knowledge, their experiences.

-Txec R

I actually understood that to be classic Talossan hyperbole.

Pardon?

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

With regret, the Whereas clauses are so loaded with bias and possible untruths, if this bill were to make it to a vote in the Ziu as written, and should it pass, I will veto it. I mean seriously, you weren't even alive in 1979 so saying that President Carter ruled with an iron fist is extremely melodramatic.

There are citizens who were here during his rule and your clauses refute, without any direct knowledge, their experiences.

-Txec R

I actually understood that to be classic Talossan hyperbole.

Pardon?

That first whereas clause seemed to me to be a classic use of hyperbole, referring to our founding as freeing us from an iron fist when the person in question was not very tyrannical. We use that kind of language all the time when it comes to things like our founding.

[Mximo Malt]

With regret, the Whereas clauses are so loaded with bias and possible untruths, if this bill were to make it to a vote in the Ziu as written, and should it pass, I will veto it. I mean seriously, you weren't even alive in 1979 so saying that President Carter ruled with an iron fist is extremely melodramatic.

There are citizens who were here during his rule and your clauses refute, without any direct knowledge, their experiences.

-Txec R

I actually understood that to be classic Talossan hyperbole.

Pardon?

That first whereas clause seemed to me to be a classic use of hyperbole, referring to our founding as freeing us from a tyrant when the person in question was not very tyrannical. We use that kind of language all the time when it comes to things like our founding.

So they've been using that since the beginning? If this dissatisfies His Majesty, I ought to change it. Otherwise, why bother talking about this at all?

[King Txec]

It's better now.

-Txec R

[Mximo Malt]

It's better now.

-Txec R

Then I did my job.

- MM

[Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be]

Sir Marcel has done a good job of offering criticism of this bill (in terms of form, content, and process) but to add a few other points in parallel:

- The people who suffered most under KR1's harassment back in the day have stated — back in 2019, mind you — that they would need to receive some kind of fence-mending from Ben to be comfortable with inviting him back.
- They have not yet received any such apology or anything from Ben in the six years since he tried to re-immigrate. He has had ample time and not used it in the slightest.
- Therefore, it is not appropriate for the Ziu to invite him back at this time.

This bill requires us to extend the hand first, when the proper way to make amends is for the one who caused the harm to swallow their pride and reach out. The door has remained open for six years, and no attempt to walk through it has been made.