Government Proposal on an Elected Head of State

Started by Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC, February 02, 2021, 02:28:33 PM

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Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on February 16, 2021, 10:48:52 AM
What happens if one Talossan holds more than one of the 8 offices (such as myself as Secretary of State and Scribe of Abbavilla)?

I assume you only get one vote. Same as if a UC Justice is also an MC.

¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Sir Ian Plätschisch

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 16, 2021, 07:00:26 PM
Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on February 16, 2021, 10:48:52 AM
What happens if one Talossan holds more than one of the 8 offices (such as myself as Secretary of State and Scribe of Abbavilla)?

I assume you only get one vote. Same as if a UC Justice is also an MC.
That is what I had in mind.
Sir Ian Plätschisch, UrN, GST

Eðo Grischun

#42
Can I ask the Leader of the Opposition for opinions on the other points in the Seneschal's post that haven't been touched on yet?  Specifically, the 6 year rule for conclave forming and the 7 year rule for automatic abdication.  Also are you ok with the Senior Justice chairing the assembly or do you envisage a conclave without a chair?  And, the bit about a Council of Regency as an emergency contingency?





Eovart Grischun S.H.

Senator for Vuode
Former Distain and Cabinet Minister

GV

#43
Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on February 15, 2021, 02:05:10 PM
Quote from: GV on February 14, 2021, 11:38:55 PM
As to the ten years requirement, is this 'ten years since original naturalization with no break in citizenship'?  This will force us to do something Ben Madison never wanted to do: keep exact records as to who renounced and when and who returned and when.
I thought we already did that
QuoteOne can be a provincial executive and a Senator, as I was in Fiova 2017-2018, and possibly in my Maricopa days.  Do they get two votes (hope not) or is the conclave deprived of a vote?  Multiple office-holding of all permutations must be taken into account. ...There should be a mechanism to keep the eligible voters at an exact multiple of three.

Also, what would be your requirements to be monarch?
Taking this into account wouldn't be so hard; nobody gets more than one seat regardless of the number of ways they qualify. This would make the number of seats in the Convocation variable, but that's OK; a threshold for a 2/3 majority can be calculated regardless.

I would not make any requirements to be King; I trust the Convocation to get it right.

At least up to 2004, renunciation records were only retained if one having renounced did not make a return to Talossa.  Once a return to Talossa was made, the renunciation date was expunged as Ben always wanted to be magnanimous with things like that.

I would have the minimum age for monarch to be 30 years at the time of the 'demise' of the previous monarch (in whatever manner).

Sir Ian Plätschisch

Quote from: Eðo Grischun on February 18, 2021, 12:30:46 AM
Can I ask the Leader of the Opposition for opinions on the other points in the Seneschal's post that haven't been touched on yet?  Specifically, the 6 year rule for conclave forming and the 7 year rule for automatic abdication.  Also are you ok with the Senior Justice chairing the assembly or do you envisage a conclave without a chair?  And, the bit about a Council of Regency as an emergency contingency?
All of that is fine with me. I don't see the chair of the conclave having any power other than performing admin duties like officially recognizing when eligible citizens claim their seats and setting the exact timetable for votes.
Sir Ian Plätschisch, UrN, GST

Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

#45
BE IT ENACTED by the Ziu, for the endorsement of the nation in referendum, that the Organic Law, Section II.3, shall be replaced in its entirety as follows:

Quote1. The King of Talossa shall be chosen by a Convocation of:

  • eight MCs, chosen by the parties represented in the Cosa in proportion to their Cosa seats;
  • all Senators;
  • the Seneschál;
  • all Justices of the UC;
  • all provincial heads of government;
  • all officers of the Royal Civil Service;
  • all Talossans who have been a citizen for at least ten years
2. Every member of the Convocation shall have one vote. All the discussions of the Convocation will be open, but its votes shall be by secret ballot.

3. The Convocation shall be chaired by the Senior Judge of the CpI, or in their absence the next available CpI judge in order of seniority, unless the Convocation decides differently.

4. The Convocation shall assemble upon the 6th anniversary of a King acceding to the Throne, or at any time that there is no King.

5. The candidate who receives the expressed support of 2/3 of the Convocation shall immediately receive the title of "Heir Presumptive".

6. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, the Heir Presumptive shall swear an oath promising to protect and uphold the Organic Law of Talossa and the rights of all its citizens, and thereupon become King of Talossa. If there is no Heir Presumptive, the Uppermost Cort shall be a Council of Regency until an Heir Presumptive is chosen.

7. Unless the King of Talossa is chosen as their own Heir Presumptive, they shall be deemed to have abdicated upon having served in that role for 7 years.

¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

GV

"in proportion to their Cosa seats": Cosa seats as of exactly when?

Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

As of when the Convocation is called, I assume - Ián, have I got this right?

¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Sir Ian Plätschisch

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on March 18, 2021, 07:21:29 PM
As of when the Convocation is called, I assume - Ián, have I got this right?
Yep
Sir Ian Plätschisch, UrN, GST