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Started by Açafat del Val, March 18, 2022, 02:32:10 PM

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King Txec

Quote from: Açafat del Val on March 18, 2022, 03:08:44 PM
Actually, let's make a point of clarification, Dr. dal Nordselvă: how would these posts have been deleted, unless the moderator intended to delete them?

In any and all forums for which I have ever moderated, it is a common tool to select a child/destination forum. How is it possible that Brenier "moved" my posts, which happens to have the effect of deleting them?

There exists a few options, at least on my screen. A moderator/admin can remove a post or move a post. If a post is deleted, I've not found a way (up until I discovered the "recycle bin" option, to restore them. I'll keep searching. A moved post gives the option of where to move it to, as well as the ability to create a new thread.
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

King Txec

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on March 18, 2022, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: Açafat del Val on March 18, 2022, 03:08:44 PM
Actually, let's make a point of clarification, Dr. dal Nordselvă: how would these posts have been deleted, unless the moderator intended to delete them?

In any and all forums for which I have ever moderated, it is a common tool to select a child/destination forum. How is it possible that Brenier "moved" my posts, which happens to have the effect of deleting them?

Yes, Dr. dal Nordselva, please tell me how Breneir made a mistake. Enter into the mind of Breneir and tell me what he was thinking when he made a moderation error...

I often tell my students (and my wife coincidentally) that I failed mind-reading class in college. I cannot know what the Senator intended. I have, however, temporarily removed the ability for moderators to delete posts. That won't restore what is gone, but it will prevent issues in the future.
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Açafat del Val

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 18, 2022, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: Açafat del Val on March 18, 2022, 03:08:44 PM
Actually, let's make a point of clarification, Dr. dal Nordselvă: how would these posts have been deleted, unless the moderator intended to delete them?

In any and all forums for which I have ever moderated, it is a common tool to select a child/destination forum. How is it possible that Brenier "moved" my posts, which happens to have the effect of deleting them?

There exists a few options, at least on my screen. A moderator/admin can remove a post or move a post. If a post is deleted, I've not found a way (up until I discovered the "recycle bin" option, to restore them. I'll keep searching. A moved post gives the option of where to move it to, as well as the ability to create a new thread.

To the extent that "a moved post gives the option of where to move it to", my next question is: Is there any ability to have "moved" a post without selecting a destination, or will the PHP database kickback the request? More to the point, is it mechanically possible that a moderator may delete a post by "accident", or are there clear signs of "remove", "delete", and similar language which make it clear that the moderator is about to perform an act of deletion, as opposed to an act of moving?
Cheers,

AdV
ex-Senator for Florencia
Jolly Good Fellow of the Royal Talossan College of Arms

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 18, 2022, 03:31:22 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on March 18, 2022, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: Açafat del Val on March 18, 2022, 03:08:44 PM
Actually, let's make a point of clarification, Dr. dal Nordselvă: how would these posts have been deleted, unless the moderator intended to delete them?

In any and all forums for which I have ever moderated, it is a common tool to select a child/destination forum. How is it possible that Brenier "moved" my posts, which happens to have the effect of deleting them?

Yes, Dr. dal Nordselva, please tell me how Breneir made a mistake. Enter into the mind of Breneir and tell me what he was thinking when he made a moderation error...

I often tell my students (and my wife coincidentally) that I failed mind-reading class in college. I cannot know what the Senator intended. I have, however, temporarily removed the ability for moderators to delete posts. That won't restore what is gone, but it will prevent issues in the future.

I appreciate that, Mr. Secretary. I do not want this to happen any more than you or the ex-Senator of Florencia. My husband knows I failed that class as well. As well as discussion board moderation apparently...
Leader, Green Party
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Joy is that leaky bucket that lets me sometimes carry half a song. But what I intend for us, our claim, that joy is the justice we must give ourselves. -J. Drew Lanham

King Txec

Quote from: Açafat del Val on March 18, 2022, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 18, 2022, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: Açafat del Val on March 18, 2022, 03:08:44 PM
Actually, let's make a point of clarification, Dr. dal Nordselvă: how would these posts have been deleted, unless the moderator intended to delete them?

In any and all forums for which I have ever moderated, it is a common tool to select a child/destination forum. How is it possible that Brenier "moved" my posts, which happens to have the effect of deleting them?

There exists a few options, at least on my screen. A moderator/admin can remove a post or move a post. If a post is deleted, I've not found a way (up until I discovered the "recycle bin" option, to restore them. I'll keep searching. A moved post gives the option of where to move it to, as well as the ability to create a new thread.

To the extent that "a moved post gives the option of where to move it to", my next question is: Is there any ability to have "moved" a post without selecting a destination, or will the PHP database kickback the request? More to the point, is it mechanically possible that a moderator may delete a post by "accident", or are there clear signs of "remove", "delete", and similar language which make it clear that the moderator is about to perform an act of deletion, as opposed to an act of moving?

Without giving offense, as the Chancery is named, even if only tangentially, in the suit now sitting before the Uppermost Cort, I politely decline to answer further questions as to the workings of Wittenberg without advice from an attorney or unless questioned by the Cort to do so.
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Açafat del Val

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 18, 2022, 03:45:53 PM
Without giving offense, as the Chancery is named, even if only tangentially, in the suit now sitting before the Uppermost Cort, I politely decline to answer further questions as to the workings of Wittenberg without advice from an attorney or unless questioned by the Cort to do so.

Will the Secretary of State confirm at the least – certainly, I would say, without being able to impart upon himself, the office, or the Chancery as a whole any quantity of liability – that my posts (1) were deleted, (2) cannot be recovered, and (3) will have to be remade by me from scratch if I wish that they 'see the day of light'?

Edited for typos.
Cheers,

AdV
ex-Senator for Florencia
Jolly Good Fellow of the Royal Talossan College of Arms

Açafat del Val

It is incredibly fair to expect an answer, at least to part of the question, because if my posts can be recovered, it affects the lawsuit materially. In fact, if they can be recovered, then the controversy is nearly or actually entirely moot. On the other hand, if they cannot be recovered, that forces the suit to proceed.
Cheers,

AdV
ex-Senator for Florencia
Jolly Good Fellow of the Royal Talossan College of Arms

King Txec

Quote from: Açafat del Val on March 18, 2022, 04:05:26 PM
It is incredibly fair to expect an answer, at least to part of the question, because if my posts can be recovered, it affects the lawsuit materially. In fact, if they can be recovered, then the controversy is nearly or actually entirely moot. On the other hand, if they cannot be recovered, that forces the suit to proceed.

I cannot find any way to recover deleted threads and/or posts.
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk