Catchment Area Reform Proposal

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

WHEREAS, at present, the catchment areas of provinces in Talossa are confusing and incongruous; and

WHEREAS while a balanced intake of immigrants, geographical contiguity and common cultural roots may very well be impossible to achieve all at the same time, this is still a step in the right direction to achieve just that.

THEREFORE the Ziu hereby amends El Lexhatx Section E, Article 7 as detailed below.

Article 7.4 which currently reads:

7.4. ATATÜRK PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Atatürk Province: All suburbs of Milwaukee within Milwaukee County, which lie to the north and east of the City of Milwaukee; the Wisconsin Counties of Washington, Ozaukee, Sheboygan, Calumet, Manitowoc, Kewaunee, and Door; and the U.S. states of Massachussetts, Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont, and the Canadian provinces of Quebec, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland & Labrador and Nova Scotia. Overseas, the nations of Russia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Tajikistan, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Turkey, Northern Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Banghladesh, Maldives, Nepal, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Yemen, Egypt, Sudan, South Sudan, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Dem. Rep. of the Congo, Rep. of the Congo, Gabon, Sao Tomé, Cameroon and Equatorial Guinea.

Is amended to read as follows:

7.4. ATATÜRK PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Atatürk Province: the Wisconsin counties of Calumet, Door, Kewaunee, Manitowoc, Ozaukee, Sheboygan, and Washington; and the U.S. states of Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and Vermont, and the Canadian provinces of Newfoundland & Labrador, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia. Prince Edward Island, Quebec; Internationally, the nations of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bhutan, Burundi, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Congo-Brazzaville, Congo-Kinshasa, Cyprus, Djibouti, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Georgia, India, Israel, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Nepal, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Sao Tome & Principe, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Somaliland, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Türkiye, Turkmenistan, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Yemen.

Article 7.5 which currently reads:

7.5. BENITO PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Benito Province: the Wisconsin counties of Waukesha, Jefferson, Dane, Marathon, Wood, Portage, Waupaca, Waushara, Winnebago, Marquette, Green Lake, Fond du Lac, Columbia, and Dodge. Overseas, the nations of Italy, San Marino, Vatican City, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Andorra, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Hungary, Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, Macedonia, Albania, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova and Cyprus; plus all nations in Africa north of the Equator not listed elsewhere.

Is amended to read as follows:

7.5. BENITO PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Benito Province: the Wisconsin counties of Columbia, Dane, Dodge, Fond du Lac, Green Lake, Jefferson, Marathon, Marquette, Portage, Waukesha, Waupaca, Waushara, Winnebago, and Wood. Internationally, Albania, Andorra, Austria, Benin, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Cabo Verde, Côte d'Ivoire, Croatia, Gambia, Ghana, Greece, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Hungary, Italy, Kosovo, Liberia, Liechtenstein, Malta, Moldova, Montenegro, Nigeria, North Macedonia, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Senegal, Serbia, Sierra Leone, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland, Togo, Vatican City.

Article 7.6 which currently reads:

7.6. VUODE PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Vuode Province: The City of Milwaukee (WI) and the U.S. states of Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, Missouri.

Is amended to read as follows:

7.6. VUODE PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Vuode Province: the City of Milwaukee (WI) and all suburbs of Milwaukee, which lie to the north and east of the City of Milwaukee; and the U.S. states of Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, and Pennsylvania; And the Mexican States of Aguascalientes, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Durango, Guanajuato, Jalisco, Nayarit, Nuevo Leon, Sinaloa, San Luis Potosi, Sonora, Tamaulipas, Queretero, and Zacatecas. Internationally, the nations of Algeria, Chad, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Tunisia, and Western Sahara.

Article 7.7 which currently reads:

7.7. MARICOPA PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Maricopa Province: the Wisconsin counties of Polk, Barron, St. Croix, Pierce, Dunn, Chippewa, Eau Claire, Clark, Pepin, Buffalo, Trempeleau, Jackson, La Crosse, Monroe, Juneau, Adams, Vernon, Crawford, Richland, Sauk, Grant, Iowa, Lafayette, and Green; and the U.S. states of Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas, Hawaii, California, Arkansas and Louisiana. Overseas, the nations of South America (except Brazil) and all of continental Central America.

Is amended to read as follows:

7.7. MARICOPA PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Maricopa Province: the Wisconsin counties of Adams, Barron, Buffalo, Chippewa, Clark, Crawford, Dunn, Eau Claire, Grant, Green, Iowa, Jackson, Juneau, La Crosse, Lafayette, Monroe, Pepin, Pierce, Polk, Richland, St. Croix, Sauk, Trempealeau, and Vernon; the U.S. states of Arizona, Arkansas, California, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas; the Mexican States of Campeche, Chiapas, Ciudad de México, Colima, Guerrero, Hidalgo, Michoacan, Mexico, Morelos, Oaxaca, Puebla, Quintana Roo, Tabasco, Tlaxcala, Veracruz, Yucatan. Internationally, the nations of Argentina, Belize, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay, and Venezuela.

Article 7.8 which currently reads:

7.8. FLORENCIA PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Florencia Province: the Wisconsin counties of Florence, Douglas, Bayfield, Ashland, Iron, Vilas, Burnett, Washburn, Sawyer, Rusk, Taylor, Price, Oneida, Lincoln, Langlade, Forest, Menominee, Shawano, Marinette, Oconto, Outagamie, and Brown; and the U.S. states of Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Minnesota, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, and the Canadian provinces and territories of Yukon, Northwest, Nunavut, British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario.

Is amended to read as follows:

7.8. FLORENCIA PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Florencia Province: the Wisconsin counties of Ashland, Bayfield, Brown, Burnett, Douglas,  Florence, Forest, Iron, Lincoln, Langlade, Marinette, Menominee, Oconto, Oneida, Outagamie, Price, Rusk, Sawyer, Shawano, Taylor, Vilas, and Washburn; and the U.S. states and territories of Alaska, American Samoa, Colorado, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Northern Marianas Islands, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Washington, Wyoming; and the Canadian provinces and territories of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, Northwest Territory, Nunavut, Ontario, Saskatchewan and Yukon Territory. Internationally, the nations of Brunei, Bouganville, Fiji, Indonesia, Japan, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, North Korea, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Samoa, Singapore, Solomon Islands, South Korea, Taiwan, Tonga, Vanuatu.

Article 7.9 which currently reads:

7.9. MARITIIMI-MAXHESTIC PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Maritiimi-Maxhestic Province: All suburbs of the City of Milwaukee within Milwaukee County which lie to the south and west of the City of Milwaukee, and also the Wisconsin Counties of Racine, Kenosha, Walworth, and Rock; and the U.S. states of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, the District of Columbia, Delaware and Maryland. Overseas, all the nations of insular Central America and Puerto Rico.

Is amended to read as follows:

7.9. MARITIIMI-MAXHESTIC PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Maritiimi-Maxhestic Province: All suburbs of the City of Milwaukee within Milwaukee County which lie to the south and west of the City of Milwaukee, and also the Wisconsin Counties of Kenosha, Racine, Rock, and Walworth; and the U.S. states and territories of Alabama, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Virgin Islands, and West Virginia. Internationally, the nations of Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Grenada, Haiti, Jamaica, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, the Bahamas, and Trinidad and Tobago.

Article 7.10 which currently reads:

7.10. CÉZEMBRE PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Cézembre Province: the nations of Ireland, United Kingdom, Iceland, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Monaco and any European nation not listed elsewhere.

Is amended to read as follows:

7.10. CÉZEMBRE PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Cézembre Province: the nations of Belgium, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Slovakia, Sweden, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom.

Article 7.11 which currently reads:

7.11. FIOVA PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Fiova Province: the nations of Australia, New Zealand, all Oceanian nations, all Asian nations not listed elsewhere, Brazil, South Africa, Madagascar, Mauritius, the Comoros, Seychelles, Lesotho, Swaziland, Mozambique, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Namibia, Malawi, Angola, and all nations in Africa south of the Equator not listed elsewhere, and all nations of the world not included elsewhere.

Is amended to read as follows:

7.11. FIOVA PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Fiova Province: the nations of Afghanistan, Angola, Australia, Botswana, Brazil, Cambodia, China, Comoros, Eswatini, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Laos, Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritius, Mongolia, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, New Zealand, Seychelles, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Vietnam, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

A new section 7.13 is added as follows:

7.13 The Ministry of Immigration is encouraged to review catchment areas for potential updates no less than every five (5) years.

A new section 3.1 is added as follows:

3.1 The Ministry of Immigration shall note the prospective immigrant's future provincial assignment in the introducing thread.

Uréu q'estadra så:
Breneir Tzaracomprada (Minister of Immigration)

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Modifications:

• All general descriptors are removed. Every nation is individually placed in a specific province.
• Mexico is treated as a part of North America. As such, its catchment area scheme is handled at the sub-national level just as the US and Canada. Some states to Vuode and some to Maricopa.
• Florencia is expanded to include most Oceanian nations (excepting Australia and New Zealand)
• Catchment descriptions are alphabetical
• Vuode receives nations with a known Berber population or heritage (connecting the Talossan home province with its mystical Berber heritage

• Regular catchment area review is mandated with the Ministry of Immigration being responsible.
  
• There have a half dozen naming updates (ex: Czechia, Eswatini, etc.)

This is just a proposal so feel free to tear it to pieces.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Unless you are prepared to give Pengopats Senate representation (or abolish the Senate I guess), putting citizens there seems like a bad idea.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Unless you are prepared to give Pengopats Senate representation (or abolish the Senate I guess), putting citizens there seems like a bad idea.

If people are assigned there then why would I be opposed to that, Ian?

[Ian Plätschisch]

Also, could we get a map of these changes?

Also also, unless you are personally still MinImm five years from now, I can pretty much guarantee the new reporting requirement will be ignored. Surely a better solution if we are really concerned about this is just to keep an eye on provincial populations and make changes if/when needed?

[Ian Plätschisch]

Unless you are prepared to give Pengopats Senate representation (or abolish the Senate I guess), putting citizens there seems like a bad idea.

If people are assigned there then why would I be opposed to that, Ian?

For one thing, that would require an OrgLaw amendment. Is that forthcoming?

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Also, could we get a map of these changes?

Also also, unless you are personally still MinImm five years from now, I can pretty much guarantee the new reporting requirement will be ignored. Surely a better solution if we are really concerned about this is just to keep an eye on provincial populations and make changes if/when needed?

I just did the work of pulling it all together. Anyone who sees the benefit of a map is welcome to create it.
You are suggesting that a future MinImm will ignore a statutory requirement. And that no Opposition will be active enough to call them on it.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Unless you are prepared to give Pengopats Senate representation (or abolish the Senate I guess), putting citizens there seems like a bad idea.

If people are assigned there then why would I be opposed to that, Ian?

For one thing, that would require an OrgLaw amendment. Is that forthcoming?

No, not from me.

[Ian Plätschisch]

I just did the work of pulling it all together. Anyone who sees the benefit of a map is welcome to create it.

Well, you're the one who wants to make this change, but OK.

You are suggesting that a future MinImm will ignore a statutory requirement. And that no Opposition will be active enough to call them on it.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting. It's a silly report and no one should spend time putting it together or complaining that it hasn't been (unless there is a real need for it).

[Ian Plätschisch]

Unless you are prepared to give Pengopats Senate representation (or abolish the Senate I guess), putting citizens there seems like a bad idea.

If people are assigned there then why would I be opposed to that, Ian?

For one thing, that would require an OrgLaw amendment. Is that forthcoming?

No, not from me.

Seems like you just answered your own question then.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

I just did the work of pulling it all together. Anyone who sees the benefit of a map is welcome to create it.

Well, you're the one who wants to make this change, but OK.

You are suggesting that a future MinImm will ignore a statutory requirement. And that no Opposition will be active enough to call them on it.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting. It's a silly report and no one should spend time putting it together or complaining that it hasn't been (unless there is a real need for it).

The reporting is only necessary IF the Ministry finds the need for changes. The requirement is to REVIEW the catchment area for potential changes. Please read.

[Ian Plätschisch]

The reporting is only necessary IF the Ministry finds the need for changes. The requirement is to REVIEW the catchment area for potential changes. Please read.

You are splitting hairs. Clearly the time spent doing the review (if it is done in good faith) would far outweigh the time physically typing out the report.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Ian's point concerning the need for Organic Law change on Pengopats is a good one though. I have removed that from the proposal.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

The reporting is only necessary IF the Ministry finds the need for changes. The requirement is to REVIEW the catchment area for potential changes. Please read.

You are splitting hairs. Clearly the time spent doing the review (if it is done in good faith) would far outweigh the time physically typing out the report.

No I am not splitting hairs, Ian. I am reading what I wrote.
I have removed the Pengopats section as you made a good point on the need for other changes to implement it.

[Ian Plätschisch]

The reporting is only necessary IF the Ministry finds the need for changes. The requirement is to REVIEW the catchment area for potential changes. Please read.

You are splitting hairs. Clearly the time spent doing the review (if it is done in good faith) would far outweigh the time physically typing out the report.

No I am not splitting hairs, Ian. I am reading what I wrote.
I have removed the Pengopats section as you made a good point on the need for other changes to implement it.

My point has been the time consuming part of this is not the part where the Minister types a report, it's the part where they do the review, which must be done whether or not a report is issued. Sorry that I did not make this distinction clear.