Coat of Arms request for þerxh Sant-Enogat

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þerxh Sant-Enogat

Estimats membreux del Coletx d'Armeux Rexhital,
What is my name? Þerxh Sant-Enogat, newly immigrated in our beloved Kingdom, in the province of Cézembre.
What is my request?
If it so please the Squirrel King of Arms, I request the assistance of the College in designing and obtaining arms for myself and my lawful heirs
What is my favourite colour ? Red ! Eeuur, no.. Green !
I would indeed greatly appreciate to be guided to transform my initial ideas into Arms I would be proud to present.
þerxh Sant-Enogat, SMC, MC
Seneschal, Minister of Immigration, Minister of STUFF,
Sénéchal de Cézembre,
Duceu del TNC / Congreßeu Naziunal da Talossa
Former Prospective Citizen

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Your application is received, grats.

It has been a while since we assigned anything to the Well-Met Fellow.  @C.d.I. Nouacastra-Läxhirescu, MSC , would you like to take this one?

-Dean of the College
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Seems like a no!  Perhaps @Mic'haglh Autófil, MC EiP would like to take this on, instead -- S:reu Long Fellow, how about it?

-Dean of the Coletx
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 29, 2023, 12:19:32 PMSeems like a no!  Perhaps @Mic'haglh Autófil, MC EiP would like to take this on, instead -- S:reu Long Fellow, how about it?

-Dean of the Coletx

I would be happy to! S:reu Sant-Enogat, I'll be messaging you momentarily.
The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

Following consultation with the requestor, I submit the following blazon:

Quarterly vert and gules, I. palewise a muted horn argent, over all a cross ermine.


Not sure if it would be easier to say "palewise a muted horn argent in the canton", I know traditionally quarters are referred to using Roman numerals, but open to suggestions.
The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

þerxh Sant-Enogat

A great thanks to S:reu Autófil ! This man is skilled
þerxh Sant-Enogat, SMC, MC
Seneschal, Minister of Immigration, Minister of STUFF,
Sénéchal de Cézembre,
Duceu del TNC / Congreßeu Naziunal da Talossa
Former Prospective Citizen

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

#6
Quarterly vert and gules, in dexter palewise a muted horn argent, over all a cross ermine.

-SVA/REH
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

þerxh Sant-Enogat

Estimat Squirrel Viceroy of Arms,
Are there other duties to be fulfilled on my side to have my request for Arms presented for St Aaron's day ?
þerxh Sant-Enogat, SMC, MC
Seneschal, Minister of Immigration, Minister of STUFF,
Sénéchal de Cézembre,
Duceu del TNC / Congreßeu Naziunal da Talossa
Former Prospective Citizen

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on June 08, 2023, 04:42:12 PMEstimat Squirrel Viceroy of Arms,
Are there other duties to be fulfilled on my side to have my request for Arms presented for St Aaron's day ?

Once the Dean accepts the blazon and emblazonment, it will be presented to the king. I made an observation as to the proper blazon, and so far have had no reply from The Long Fellow, @Mic'haglh Autófil, MC EiP.

Have patience, this will get done, but a good grant of arms is always worth waiting for!

-SVA/REH
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Viceroy and Long Fellow and petitioner,

The muted horn appears to be argent and sanguine -- I'm wondering whether or not the mute should also be argent, or whether it should be blazoned differently, or whether this is fine.  I'm fairly sure that Fox-Davies has something on the subject, but haven't had a chance to look it up yet.

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

So, the horn is a pretty old charge, and it usually takes the form of a traditional hunting horn.  That's clearly not the intention here.  I don't know much about instruments, but if there's an easy way to more specifically describe the instrument (a trumpet?), it'd be good to use that.  Not a huge deal if it's just a generic modern horn.

Fox-Davies suggests that when the accoutrement of an item has a different tincture, and it's not a well-established convention, that should be mentioned -- as when a bugle-horn is "veruled" with ribbons of a different tincture.  So I'd suggest that the mute's tincture needs to be described.

Quarterly vert and gules, in dexter palewise a muted horn argent and sanguine, over all a cross ermine.

or

Quarterly vert and gules, in dexter palewise a muted horn proper, over all a cross ermine.

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Would the sanguine mute of the horn violate the rule of a color on a color?

-SVA/REH
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

I don't think so, tentatively, since the charge overall obeys the rule of tincture -- like, I think you could have sable, a rose sanguine slipped or.  But you raise a good point.  Maybe the mute could be sable?  What color are mutes?

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Sir Lüc

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 09, 2023, 08:35:53 AMWhat color are mutes?

Usually silvery. Except for practice mutes, which are plastic doodads.
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Directeur Sportif, Gordon Hiatus Support Team

In my free time:
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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

So that would neatly solve the issue - the Viceroy's blazon is perfect.  The emblazonment would just need to be adjusted to make the mute argent.

Quarterly vert and gules, in dexter palewise a muted horn argent, over all a cross ermine.

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein