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King Txec

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 20, 2024, 09:08:55 PMWith respect to committee transparency, do you all know if the committee proceedings will fall under the recent Transparency Act? As in, will these proceedings be archived and published seven years after the end of this Cosa term? I don't think the Act covers it but perhaps a PD could make it so?

Well this isn't a government communication, as half of the committee is not a member of the government, so I'd say it doesn't. Also, I'm not sure a PD can alter Organic Law, as 58RZ6 did.
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on January 20, 2024, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 20, 2024, 09:08:55 PMWith respect to committee transparency, do you all know if the committee proceedings will fall under the recent Transparency Act? As in, will these proceedings be archived and published seven years after the end of this Cosa term? I don't think the Act covers it but perhaps a PD could make it so?

Well this isn't a government communication, as half of the committee is not a member of the government, so I'd say it doesn't. Also, I'm not sure a PD can alter Organic Law, as 58RZ6 did.


I'm not sure I understand the part about a PD altering Organic Law. Would including this committee's proceedings in the Government archives implicate the Organic Law? If not, then a PD altering Organic Law isn't even necessary. Which is what confuses me about your statement.

I mentioned the PD as a potential route, if necessary, to include these proceedings as a supplement to the eventual archives of the 59th Cabinet. It might also be achieved by a simple request of the Seneschal to the Archivist.

You mentioned transparency when asking about an edited post and that got me thinking about including these in the transmission to the Archivist.

Would this be something you or Miestra are opposed to?

Nimis gaudiam habeo

King Txec

I personally don't care. I mention OrgLaw because the transparency act was an amendment to OrgLaw.

However, this committee has nothing to do with the Cabinet and the Seneschal is not in charge of this committee. I would think we would need to vote on anything like what you suggest as we are all equal here.
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Miestră Schivă, UrN

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 20, 2024, 09:46:21 PMAbsolutely, and this is just a proposal Miestra, what if we increased the number of ex-officio PC members to include Leader of the Opposition and Mencei? And decreased the restricted offices in the Chancery bill?

The Privy Council issue is in a different bill, this one is about Cunstaváis alone.

Vote THE FREE DEMOCRATS OF TALOSSA
¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 20, 2024, 11:58:04 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 20, 2024, 09:46:21 PMAbsolutely, and this is just a proposal Miestra, what if we increased the number of ex-officio PC members to include Leader of the Opposition and Mencei? And decreased the restricted offices in the Chancery bill?

The Privy Council issue is in a different bill, this one is about Cunstaváis alone.

Sorry, you are correct. Let me think about it then.

Nimis gaudiam habeo

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on January 20, 2024, 11:14:47 PMI personally don't care. I mention OrgLaw because the transparency act was an amendment to OrgLaw.

However, this committee has nothing to do with the Cabinet and the Seneschal is not in charge of this committee. I would think we would need to vote on anything like what you suggest as we are all equal here.

No, that is not correct. The Second Talossan Government Transparency Act was a statutory change. Txec.

I was asking if there are any objections. A vote is fine if it answers that question.

Nimis gaudiam habeo

Miestră Schivă, UrN

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 21, 2024, 08:00:35 AM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 20, 2024, 11:58:04 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 20, 2024, 09:46:21 PMAbsolutely, and this is just a proposal Miestra, what if we increased the number of ex-officio PC members to include Leader of the Opposition and Mencei? And decreased the restricted offices in the Chancery bill?

The Privy Council issue is in a different bill, this one is about Cunstaváis alone.

Sorry, you are correct. Let me think about it then.

I'd like to get it on this Clark; no real rush but I'd like the thumbs-up in time for the CRL to get a good look at it

Vote THE FREE DEMOCRATS OF TALOSSA
¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 22, 2024, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 21, 2024, 08:00:35 AM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 20, 2024, 11:58:04 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 20, 2024, 09:46:21 PMAbsolutely, and this is just a proposal Miestra, what if we increased the number of ex-officio PC members to include Leader of the Opposition and Mencei? And decreased the restricted offices in the Chancery bill?

The Privy Council issue is in a different bill, this one is about Cunstaváis alone.

Sorry, you are correct. Let me think about it then.

I'd like to get it on this Clark; no real rush but I'd like the thumbs-up in time for the CRL to get a good look at it

Hi Miestra, after some thought the Cunstaváis bill is good to go without any suggested changes and has my support. I can't speak for the entire party though, of course.
Can I be added as a sponsor to the Privy Council one? I do think some bipartisan support would be a good signal of our willingness to work together.

Nimis gaudiam habeo

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 21, 2024, 08:03:34 AM
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on January 20, 2024, 11:14:47 PMI personally don't care. I mention OrgLaw because the transparency act was an amendment to OrgLaw.

However, this committee has nothing to do with the Cabinet and the Seneschal is not in charge of this committee. I would think we would need to vote on anything like what you suggest as we are all equal here.

No, that is not correct. The Second Talossan Government Transparency Act was a statutory change. Txec.

I was asking if there are any objections. A vote is fine if it answers that question.

Hi all, is there any objection to our committee proceedings being added to the archives? Remember these will not be available to the public until 2031 at the earliest.

Nimis gaudiam habeo

Miestră Schivă, UrN

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 22, 2024, 08:02:58 PMCan I be added as a sponsor to the Privy Council one? I do think some bipartisan support would be a good signal of our willingness to work together.

We'll wait for any final amendments; I'll add you as a sponsor to the version that goes to the CRL if you are still keen at that stage.

Vote THE FREE DEMOCRATS OF TALOSSA
¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 22, 2024, 10:43:00 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 22, 2024, 08:02:58 PMCan I be added as a sponsor to the Privy Council one? I do think some bipartisan support would be a good signal of our willingness to work together.

We'll wait for any final amendments; I'll add you as a sponsor to the version that goes to the CRL if you are still keen at that stage.


Thanks Miestra

Nimis gaudiam habeo

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 21, 2024, 08:03:34 AM
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on January 20, 2024, 11:14:47 PMI personally don't care. I mention OrgLaw because the transparency act was an amendment to OrgLaw.

However, this committee has nothing to do with the Cabinet and the Seneschal is not in charge of this committee. I would think we would need to vote on anything like what you suggest as we are all equal here.

No, that is not correct. The Second Talossan Government Transparency Act was a statutory change. Txec.

I was asking if there are any objections. A vote is fine if it answers that question.

Haven't received an answer here. I'm going to seek approval to write legislation on it.

Nimis gaudiam habeo