Welcome

[King Txec]

I've created this private board at the request of the Seneschal. Only members of the committee have access. @þerxh Sant-Enogat, @Miestră Schivă, UrN, @Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB, and @Breneir Tzaracomprada.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Thanks Txec

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

I suppose we have two items to discuss, under the terms of the agreement:

1) the Brenéir/Mximo bill currently before the CRL;
2) my own OrgLaw amendment re: Cunstaváis

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

I suppose we have two items to discuss, under the terms of the agreement:

1) the Brenéir/Mximo bill currently before the CRL;
2) my own OrgLaw amendment re: Cunstaváis

I support both.

[þerxh Sant-Enogat]

Thanks @Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB for this private board

I've read both bills

1) the Brenéir/Mximo bill currently before the CRL

I agree to the clarking being sent to the Ziu. I think the Ziu is able to vote on this bill.
Personally, I would vote for it, as is sets rules to avoid conflict of interest (as future Secretaries of State may not be as honest as you are dear Txec ;-)

2) Miestra's OrgLaw amendment re: Cunstaváis

I also agree with this bill being forwarded to the Ziu.
Personally, I would vote for it, I think it will help to maintain active cunstavals

[King Txec]

As both bills affect me as both the Secretary of State AND a Cunstaval, I won't comment on them. I think that recusing myself is appropriate.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

As both bills affect me as both the Secretary of State AND a Cunstaval, I won't comment on them. I think that recusing myself is appropriate.

Determination to make Txec king intensifies

[þerxh Sant-Enogat]

To make things clear - and to check if I understand well  : agreeing on a bill in this committee means that both parties agree on having a vote on this bill.
None of us will have to vote Për the bill if we don't support it personally, nor ask our parties to vote for it. This committee can just veto the voting process of a bill.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

@þerxh Sant-Enogat I did not expect the first response in this Committee to prove me correct. But I would have preferred to be surprised and wrong.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Anyway, are we all in agreement about the Cunstaváis amendment going forward?

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Anyway, are we all in agreement about the Cunstaváis amendment going forward?

No, using the criteria you just applied to the Nonpartisan SoS Act, it was presented to the Hopper a few days ago before this committee convened as a fait accompli. And therefore was a violation of the agreement.

I am not ok with it going forward without revisions in this committee.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

With respect to committee transparency, do you all know if the committee proceedings will fall under the recent Transparency Act? As in, will these proceedings be archived and published seven years after the end of this Cosa term? I don't think the Act covers it but perhaps a PD could make it so?

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Anyway, are we all in agreement about the Cunstaváis amendment going forward?

No, using the criteria you just applied to the Nonpartisan SoS Act, it was presented to the Hopper a few days ago before this committee convened as a fait accompli. And therefore was a violation of the agreement.

I am not ok with it going forward without revisions in this committee.

Any revisions in particular you had in mind?

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Anyway, are we all in agreement about the Cunstaváis amendment going forward?

No, using the criteria you just applied to the Nonpartisan SoS Act, it was presented to the Hopper a few days ago before this committee convened as a fait accompli. And therefore was a violation of the agreement.

I am not ok with it going forward without revisions in this committee.

Any revisions in particular you had in mind?

Absolutely, and this is just a proposal Miestra, what if we increased the number of ex-officio PC members to include Leader of the Opposition and Mencei? And decreased the restricted offices in the Chancery bill?

[King Txec]

As far as members of the Privy Council go, I'm not even sure why we are even expanding it. In all the time I've been on the council, I've only had a few interactions with the king and most of those have been heraldry related. There really isn't much to do on the Privy Council, least wise with a king who is barely even around.

[King Txec]

With respect to committee transparency, do you all know if the committee proceedings will fall under the recent Transparency Act? As in, will these proceedings be archived and published seven years after the end of this Cosa term? I don't think the Act covers it but perhaps a PD could make it so?

Well this isn't a government communication, as half of the committee is not a member of the government, so I'd say it doesn't. Also, I'm not sure a PD can alter Organic Law, as 58RZ6 did.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

With respect to committee transparency, do you all know if the committee proceedings will fall under the recent Transparency Act? As in, will these proceedings be archived and published seven years after the end of this Cosa term? I don't think the Act covers it but perhaps a PD could make it so?

Well this isn't a government communication, as half of the committee is not a member of the government, so I'd say it doesn't. Also, I'm not sure a PD can alter Organic Law, as 58RZ6 did.

I'm not sure I understand the part about a PD altering Organic Law. Would including this committee's proceedings in the Government archives implicate the Organic Law? If not, then a PD altering Organic Law isn't even necessary. Which is what confuses me about your statement.

I mentioned the PD as a potential route, if necessary, to include these proceedings as a supplement to the eventual archives of the 59th Cabinet. It might also be achieved by a simple request of the Seneschal to the Archivist.

You mentioned transparency when asking about an edited post and that got me thinking about including these in the transmission to the Archivist.

Would this be something you or Miestra are opposed to?

[King Txec]

I personally don't care. I mention OrgLaw because the transparency act was an amendment to OrgLaw.

However, this committee has nothing to do with the Cabinet and the Seneschal is not in charge of this committee. I would think we would need to vote on anything like what you suggest as we are all equal here.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Absolutely, and this is just a proposal Miestra, what if we increased the number of ex-officio PC members to include Leader of the Opposition and Mencei? And decreased the restricted offices in the Chancery bill?

The Privy Council issue is in a different bill, this one is about Cunstaváis alone.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Absolutely, and this is just a proposal Miestra, what if we increased the number of ex-officio PC members to include Leader of the Opposition and Mencei? And decreased the restricted offices in the Chancery bill?

The Privy Council issue is in a different bill, this one is about Cunstaváis alone.

Sorry, you are correct. Let me think about it then.