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Started by Miestră Schivă, UrN, August 25, 2024, 03:53:25 PM

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Miestră Schivă, UrN

Unless I've missed something, we haven't had one of those since 1988. We talked about a coronation for Ián I Lupul but I don't think it ever happened.

From Old Wittenberg, I copy the following musings (from the Rajala regency) of the then-Squirrel King at Arms:

QuoteHere are a few of the many questions the Fellows of the College should begin to consider about the upcoming coronation:

    Where should the coronation be held?

    What should be the date? Should a one year mourning period pass between the abdication of King Louis and the coronation of the next king?

    What is the order of precedence for the procession?

    Who should do the crowning? Should the King be anointed? Can we get Archbishop Dolan to help?

    Should Peers and members of the Royal Family wear coronets? If so, what design should they have? Should these coronets display heraldic emblems based on rank or association to the monarch? Who else, if anyone, should wear a coronet?

    Should a queen consort (if any) be crowned as part of the general coronation ceremony? If so, when? If not, when?

And finally, from Ián I himself, upon his accession:

QuoteFor be known and understood, as a principle of our House and of the Talossan monarchy henceforth and forever, that the crowning of a Talossan monarch should nowise be celebrated in any place wheresoever except within the sacred boundaries of the Kingdom.


Vote THE FREE DEMOCRATS OF TALOSSA
¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 23, 2024, 06:08:37 PM@Miestră Schivă, UrN are there already plans underway for an official coronation ceremony assuming that the Ziu vote and referendum are successful?

Good to see we are answering this. I wonder if there will even be commemorative memorabilia or press coverage.

Miestră Schivă, UrN

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 04:16:46 PM
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 23, 2024, 06:08:37 PMMiestră Schivă, UrN are there already plans underway for an official coronation ceremony assuming that the Ziu vote and referendum are successful?

Good to see we are answering this. I wonder if there will even be commemorative memorabilia or press coverage.

I suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.

I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.

Vote THE FREE DEMOCRATS OF TALOSSA
¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 04:16:46 PM
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 23, 2024, 06:08:37 PMMiestră Schivă, UrN are there already plans underway for an official coronation ceremony assuming that the Ziu vote and referendum are successful?

Good to see we are answering this. I wonder if there will even be commemorative memorabilia or press coverage.

I suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.

I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.

Thank you Miestra. I am incredibly excited about this transition. Genuinely excited for this moment in Talossan history.

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 05:33:30 PMThank you Miestra. I am incredibly excited about this transition. Genuinely excited for this moment in Talossan history.

You're excited, but I'm quite nervous. This is quite a transition for ME as well :-)
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 04:33:48 PMI suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.

I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.

Baron Alexander will be taking over my duties as Squirrel Viceroy of Arms upon my confirmation. He might be a good one to speak with regarding any festivities. For my part, I was only pondering the change in my heraldry. I'll leave the Coronation bit up to the people.
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 25, 2024, 06:08:56 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 04:33:48 PMI suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.

I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.

Baron Alexander will be taking over my duties as Squirrel Viceroy of Arms upon my confirmation. He might be a good one to speak with regarding any festivities. For my part, I was only pondering the change in my heraldry. I'll leave the Coronation bit up to the people.

This is good to know. I hope there will be some official transmission concerning other changes based on your ascension, Txec. Do you know yet what changes there will be to your heraldry?

Miestră Schivă, UrN

Again, let's look at precedent from last time:

Quote from: Ián I Lupul on accessionWe and our heirs royal shall henceforth bear "Quarterly, 1 and 4 Talossa, 2 and 3 Lupul", or more fully "Quarterly, 1 and 4 argent the Chinese glyph Ben sable, 2 and 3 per fess azure and vert, a wolf salient argent armed and langued gules, and in sinister chief a rose argent charged with a heart gules". Supporters: "Representing Saint Perpetua and Saint Felicity, a Roman lady hair dressed and a Berber woman hair dishevelled, both proper crined sable vested argent each bearing a palm branch vert." Motto: "Cor Unum".

We shall make use, as badge, of "A rose argent charged with a heart gules".

We request and command our right-beloved Squirrel King of Arms, in consultation and collaboration with his College, 1) to advise with us concerning the addition of a crest to our achievement, but they are not to consider a bonacon even for a moment, 2) to record these devices in the Kingdom's Armorial, 3)...]

Vote THE FREE DEMOCRATS OF TALOSSA
¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 08:27:23 PMDo you know yet what changes there will be to your heraldry?

Should it be necessary for understanding I am repeating my question for its intended recipient (Txec). :)

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 25, 2024, 06:08:56 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 04:33:48 PMI suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.

I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.

Baron Alexander will be taking over my duties as Squirrel Viceroy of Arms upon my confirmation. He might be a good one to speak with regarding any festivities. For my part, I was only pondering the change in my heraldry. I'll leave the Coronation bit up to the people.

This is good to know. I hope there will be some official transmission concerning other changes based on your ascension, Txec. Do you know yet what changes there will be to your heraldry?

I'm in the process of talking to people about my various offices as well as those I wish to serve on my Privy Council, among other things. I plan on formalizing things publicly more once I am confirmed
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 08:36:38 PMAgain, let's look at precedent from last time:

Quote from: Ián I Lupul on accessionWe and our heirs royal shall henceforth bear "Quarterly, 1 and 4 Talossa, 2 and 3 Lupul", or more fully "Quarterly, 1 and 4 argent the Chinese glyph Ben sable, 2 and 3 per fess azure and vert, a wolf salient argent armed and langued gules, and in sinister chief a rose argent charged with a heart gules". Supporters: "Representing Saint Perpetua and Saint Felicity, a Roman lady hair dressed and a Berber woman hair dishevelled, both proper crined sable vested argent each bearing a palm branch vert." Motto: "Cor Unum".

We shall make use, as badge, of "A rose argent charged with a heart gules".

We request and command our right-beloved Squirrel King of Arms, in consultation and collaboration with his College, 1) to advise with us concerning the addition of a crest to our achievement, but they are not to consider a bonacon even for a moment, 2) to record these devices in the Kingdom's Armorial, 3)...]


Yes, I expect my Arms will change from those of a Knight to those of a King. This is one of many details to be worked out.
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 25, 2024, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 25, 2024, 06:08:56 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 04:33:48 PMI suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.

I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.

Baron Alexander will be taking over my duties as Squirrel Viceroy of Arms upon my confirmation. He might be a good one to speak with regarding any festivities. For my part, I was only pondering the change in my heraldry. I'll leave the Coronation bit up to the people.

This is good to know. I hope there will be some official transmission concerning other changes based on your ascension, Txec. Do you know yet what changes there will be to your heraldry?

I'm in the process of talking to people about my various offices as well as those I wish to serve on my Privy Council, among other things. I plan on formalizing things publicly more once I am confirmed

Thank you very much Txec.

Breneir Tzaracomprada

A question. Do the abdication and Txec's ascension to the throne happen soon after the referendum passes? Or does the official change have to wait until the coronation ceremony?

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Whenever HM King John abdicates, and presuming my confirmation passes the referendum, I will become King immediately. The coronation ceremony is just the official celebration.
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

GV

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on September 26, 2024, 08:08:11 AMWhenever HM King John abdicates, and presuming my confirmation passes the referendum, I will become King immediately. The coronation ceremony is just the official celebration.

To my understanding, the accession takes place literally upon the requisite authority certifying the referendum result, presumably on Wittenberg.