The Cabinet Records Stopgap Act

Started by Breneir Tzaracomprada, September 12, 2024, 10:45:57 AM

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

WHEREAS Lex D.8.9 seals Cabinet discussions for seven years following the demise of the government of the time of said Cabinet,

WHEREAS Lex D.8.9 gives the responsibility of preservation of those records for seven years to the Royal Archivist,

WHEREAS a stopgap needs to be in place in case of something happening to the Royal Archivist before said records are released under El Lexhatx D.8.9,

THEREFORE, the Ziu adds the following to El Lexhatx:

QuoteD.8.9.3 The Royal Archivist may designate the current Scribe of Abbavilla or Deputy Scribe of Abbavilla to assist the Royal Archives in preserving Cabinet archives per D.8.9. [end new text of El Lex]

Uréu q'estadra så
Breneir Tzaracomprada (MC-OPEN)

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on September 12, 2024, 10:45:57 AMseals Cabinet discussions for seven years following the demise of the government of the time of said Cabinet

I want to thank @GV for acknowledging the intent of the original legislation. It was indeed intended to "seal Cabinet discussions for seven years." The Avocat-Xheneral's interpretation is contrary to the intent of the Ziu when passing the legislation. We must prevent our Government from becoming lawless.

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

As the current Secretary of State, I would be remiss if I didn't publicly bemoan the addition of yet one more task to the already heavy workload of the SoS. Of all the offices in the Civil Service, surely there could be someone else tasked with this. Perhaps a requirement that the Archives has a deputy.
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on September 12, 2024, 11:35:30 AMAs the current Secretary of State, I would be remiss if I didn't publicly bemoan the addition of yet one more task to the already heavy workload of the SoS. Of all the offices in the Civil Service, surely there could be someone else tasked with this. Perhaps a requirement that the Archives has a deputy.

But this is a stopgap, incidental measure which could also be handled by your deputy. This is not a standing responsibility. Does that lessen your concern any?

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on September 12, 2024, 11:37:08 AM
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on September 12, 2024, 11:35:30 AMAs the current Secretary of State, I would be remiss if I didn't publicly bemoan the addition of yet one more task to the already heavy workload of the SoS. Of all the offices in the Civil Service, surely there could be someone else tasked with this. Perhaps a requirement that the Archives has a deputy.

But this is a stopgap, incidental measure which could also be handled by your deputy. This is not a standing responsibility. Does that lessen your concern any?

The odds are not small that I won't be Secretary of State the next time this requirement could possibly come up. I'm simply pointing out that it does often seem the reflexive response is that the Chancery can handle something without anyone in the Chancery being asked, "is this a task that adds to your workload." A deputy could definitely handle this. It would just be nice if the department getting additional work, even minimal, is consulted.
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on September 12, 2024, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on September 12, 2024, 11:37:08 AM
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on September 12, 2024, 11:35:30 AMAs the current Secretary of State, I would be remiss if I didn't publicly bemoan the addition of yet one more task to the already heavy workload of the SoS. Of all the offices in the Civil Service, surely there could be someone else tasked with this. Perhaps a requirement that the Archives has a deputy.

But this is a stopgap, incidental measure which could also be handled by your deputy. This is not a standing responsibility. Does that lessen your concern any?

The odds are not small that I won't be Secretary of State the next time this requirement could possibly come up. I'm simply pointing out that it does often seem the reflexive response is that the Chancery can handle something without anyone in the Chancery being asked, "is this a task that adds to your workload." A deputy could definitely handle this. It would just be nice if the department getting additional work, even minimal, is consulted.


I think your past openness to serve in different capacities when asked to do so leads to an assumption of your willingness to do so now, Txec. You are naturally helpful but I agree that prior consultation is warranted. Because you are the current SoS, please consider this the requested consultation. Would you prefer that section be amended or is it a reasonable measure?

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

I don't see how this would be a difficult task, even though I have no personal idea how to even back up any part of Witt :-)
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on September 12, 2024, 12:29:29 PMI don't see how this would be a difficult task, even though I have no personal idea how to even back up any part of Witt :-)

Thank you very much Txec! Sorry for not consulting before submitting the legislation. I honestly assumed you wouldn't mind but it is better not to assume.

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC EiP

As an alternative, instead of adding this to the Chancery's plate, we could potentially give the responsibility to assist the Royal Archivist to the Scribery instead?
Minister of Technology
The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
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Sir Lüc

#9
(I personally think the Archives should just hire a deputy instead of needlessly cross-breeding different branches of the Civil Service)

(edit: initially misstated Scribery)
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB MC
Finance Minister / Ministreu dals Finançuns
Deputy Secretary of State / Distain Secretar d'Estat
Deputy Scribe of Abbavilla / Distain Grefieir d'Abbavillă
Directeur Sportif, Gordon Hiatus Support Team

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, SMC EiP on September 12, 2024, 12:53:13 PMAs an alternative, instead of adding this to the Chancery's plate, we could potentially give the responsibility to assist the Royal Archivist to the Scribery instead?

I had not thought of the Scribery. That is a good idea. I have edited it to say "Scribe of Abbavilla or Deputy Scribe of Abbavilla."

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC EiP

Quote from: Sir Lüc on September 12, 2024, 12:56:36 PM(I personally think the Scribery should just hire a deputy instead of needlessly cross-breeding different branches of the Civil Service)

The Scribery has a Deputy.
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Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Zirecteir Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Sir Lüc

Whoops! I definitely meant the Archives, not the Scribery. I am aware the Scribery has deputies, there's two and I am one and you're the other :p
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB MC
Finance Minister / Ministreu dals Finançuns
Deputy Secretary of State / Distain Secretar d'Estat
Deputy Scribe of Abbavilla / Distain Grefieir d'Abbavillă
Directeur Sportif, Gordon Hiatus Support Team

Breneir Tzaracomprada

@Sir Lüc and @Mic'haglh Autófil, SMC EiP
Are you both saying you could support the bill with a provision for a Deputy Royal Archivist instead of involving the Scribery or Chancery?

Miestră Schivă, UrN

If I might jump in in front of my Ministers here: as I've said elsewhere, the Government is fully in favour of expanding the Civil Service and providing backup in case officials go AWOL. The only question is being *able* to recruit to such provisions. The problem with legislatively establishing Deputies is that it doesn't amount of a hill of beans if there's no-one available. As we've found out with PermSec Immigration.

So instead of legislating, in the first place, let's simply ask the Royal Archivist to appoint a Deputy.

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