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Started by Iac Marscheir, October 05, 2024, 02:10:48 PM

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Iason Taiwos

"Els malignhs, els malignhs,
Toct i pläts os existar.
Lor Eú hassar.
Toct i pläts existar."

(Probably completely wrong)

Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

Quote from: Iason Taiwos on October 06, 2024, 03:55:15 PM"Els malignhs, els malignhs,
Toct i pläts os existarent.
Lor hassaréu.
Toct i pläts existarent."

(Probably completely wrong)

Pretty good except for declining the verbs!

Maybe we should have a poetry contest instead, lol

¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 06, 2024, 04:24:28 PM
Quote from: Iason Taiwos on October 06, 2024, 03:55:15 PM"Els malignhs, els malignhs,
Toct i pläts os existarent.
Lor hassaréu.
Toct i pläts existarent."

(Probably completely wrong)

Pretty good except for declining the verbs!

Maybe we should have a poetry contest instead, lol

Also, the plural of malignh is malignhen. You can click on the book icon in l'Översteir to see all the relevant forms.
Editing posts is my thing. My bad.
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TEMPS da JAHNLÄHLE Sürlignha, el miglhor xhurnal

Breneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser.

Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 06, 2024, 04:57:54 PMAlso, the plural of malignh is malignhen. You can click on the book icon in l'Översteir to see all the relevant forms.

Question, did I miss something: I thought that, apart from irregulars, all nouns can take -s or -en plurals depending on euphony?

¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

#24
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 06, 2024, 05:41:11 PMQuestion, did I miss something: I thought that, apart from irregulars, all nouns can take -s or -en plurals depending on euphony?

First declension nouns, i.e. those without any characteristic endings, take -s as their plural. The rule in '96 was that this ending changes to -en for euphonic reasons if the result would be hard to pronounce otherwise, which Ben called "technically optional, but universal". The rule since 2007 is that if a word ends in some specific sounds (s, sch, tsch, scht, xh, tx, z, glh, gnh, þ) then the plural must end in -en. Both rules yield the same results, more or less.
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TEMPS da JAHNLÄHLE Sürlignha, el miglhor xhurnal

Breneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser.

Iac Marscheir

Still really need to add <ð> to that list.

Iac Marscheir


Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 05, 2024, 02:28:23 PMI am skeptical this will get a high participation rate but it sounds like a good idea. Has there ever been a coordinated effort to expand Talossan vocabulary? We have tens of thousands of words which is good for a conlang but it might be a fun exercise to have a word translation drive to expand the number of Talossan words even higher and improve the translator. AI might have some implications here.

Personally I think, more than words, we need: sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs.

L.L. Zamenhof felt that these were absolutely necessary to breathe life into a language. Say what you want about Esperanto, it is one of the most successful, well known, and most used conlangs.
Premieir of Maricopa
The Green Town Pursuivant / El Coletxüt del Stavour Virt, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on October 07, 2024, 09:02:31 AM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 05, 2024, 02:28:23 PMI am skeptical this will get a high participation rate but it sounds like a good idea. Has there ever been a coordinated effort to expand Talossan vocabulary? We have tens of thousands of words which is good for a conlang but it might be a fun exercise to have a word translation drive to expand the number of Talossan words even higher and improve the translator. AI might have some implications here.

Personally I think, more than words, we need: sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs.

L.L. Zamenhof felt that these were absolutely necessary to breathe life into a language. Say what you want about Esperanto, it is one of the most successful, well known, and most used conlangs.

I think they work together then. More words provide more opportunities for sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs to be developed naturally. If you see my motto then you will note it is a line from the Russell-Einstein Manifesto in Esperanto so definitely like the Zamenhof reference though.

"Clearly we're not ostracizing this guy hard enough." -Miestra Schiva
"I refuse to work with you on this or any matter in Talossa." -Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir
"If I were running a party, it would be the Brenéir Can Kiss My Ciol party." -Dien
"Breneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser." -Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 07, 2024, 10:44:19 AMI think they work together then. More words provide more opportunities for sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs to be developed naturally.

As you pointed out earlier Talossan already has tens of thousands of words, more than enough to have saying, colloquialisms and proverbs. Though their development depends on the language being used extensively, which so far has not been the case (the only person right now to do that is Iac), so ideally we would want a campaign to encourage citizens to learn and use the language instead.
Editing posts is my thing. My bad.
Feel free to PM me if you have a Glheþ translation request!
TEMPS da JAHNLÄHLE Sürlignha, el miglhor xhurnal

Breneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser.

GV

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 06, 2024, 12:05:12 AMWell, pierogi is one of the only two Polish words I know, the other being solidarność

Decades ago, I had in my voting precinct a man who knew Lech Wałęsa in Gdańsk.  I should have picked his brain, but I was working the election that day, and said voter probably would have been annoyed at that.

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 07, 2024, 02:00:01 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 07, 2024, 10:44:19 AMI think they work together then. More words provide more opportunities for sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs to be developed naturally.

As you pointed out earlier Talossan already has tens of thousands of words, more than enough to have saying, colloquialisms and proverbs. Though their development depends on the language being used extensively, which so far has not been the case (the only person right now to do that is Iac), so ideally we would want a campaign to encourage citizens to learn and use the language instead.

That is a good point but I am saying I do not see them as mutually exclusive, Marcel. The campaign you speak of is likely to be years-long and to be carried forth by governments of varying perspectives.

We have people of varied interests so asking people if they are interested in both or either does not seem like a bad idea. If a group of people want to help expand the language vocabulary (in the short to medium term), why would that take away from the long-term campaign you prefer?

"Clearly we're not ostracizing this guy hard enough." -Miestra Schiva
"I refuse to work with you on this or any matter in Talossa." -Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir
"If I were running a party, it would be the Brenéir Can Kiss My Ciol party." -Dien
"Breneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser." -Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

Tric’hard Lenxheir

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 07, 2024, 02:00:01 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 07, 2024, 10:44:19 AMI think they work together then. More words provide more opportunities for sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs to be developed naturally.

As you pointed out earlier Talossan already has tens of thousands of words, more than enough to have saying, colloquialisms and proverbs. Though their development depends on the language being used extensively, which so far has not been the case (the only person right now to do that is Iac), so ideally we would want a campaign to encourage citizens to learn and use the language instead.

How about lessons on how to type out some of these characters in Talossan?
Tric'hard Lenxheir

Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 07, 2024, 02:00:01 PMAs you pointed out earlier Talossan already has tens of thousands of words, more than enough to have saying, colloquialisms and proverbs. Though their development depends on the language being used extensively, which so far has not been the case (the only person right now to do that is Iac), so ideally we would want a campaign to encourage citizens to learn and use the language instead.

KR1 apparently made up a whole heap of proverbs but of course only he ever used them. But as to learning and using, that goes back to the Culture Ministry's top priority, which unfortunately seems to have gone onto the "too hard" basket. However, the responses to this thread show that the repressed demand is there. We just need "prüms päçen", to coin a phrase.

¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on October 07, 2024, 06:44:36 PMHow about lessons on how to type out some of these characters in Talossan?

Almost all of them can be easily typed with the Windows International Keyboard. The annoying exception is "ă", but that's more-or-less optional.

¡LADINTSCHIÇETZ-VOI - rogetz-mhe cacsa!
"They proved me right, they proved me wrong, but they could never last this long"

Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 07, 2024, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on October 07, 2024, 06:44:36 PMHow about lessons on how to type out some of these characters in Talossan?

Almost all of them can be easily typed with the Windows International Keyboard. The annoying exception is "ă", but that's more-or-less optional.

It seems like all the characters, including ă, are typable with the Canadian Multilingual Standard layout, though I haven't tried that myself yet.
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Feel free to PM me if you have a Glheþ translation request!
TEMPS da JAHNLÄHLE Sürlignha, el miglhor xhurnal

Breneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser.

Tric’hard Lenxheir

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 07, 2024, 08:04:13 PM
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 07, 2024, 02:00:01 PMAs you pointed out earlier Talossan already has tens of thousands of words, more than enough to have saying, colloquialisms and proverbs. Though their development depends on the language being used extensively, which so far has not been the case (the only person right now to do that is Iac), so ideally we would want a campaign to encourage citizens to learn and use the language instead.

KR1 apparently made up a whole heap of proverbs but of course only he ever used them. But as to learning and using, that goes back to the Culture Ministry's top priority, which unfortunately seems to have gone onto the "too hard" basket. However, the responses to this thread show that the repressed demand is there. We just need "prüms päçen", to coin a phrase.

None of them are on my keyboard I have to use alt characters
Tric'hard Lenxheir

Iac Marscheir

#37
Per reviénar àl topic urixhinal, schi 'n däts se setadra pr'iensă tal cumpetaziun, ¿qi aicì estadra verschain à partiçipar?

(Hutsch, la cunxhuntivă cunxhuntïu neceßa reformaziun.)

[Returning to the original topic, if a date were set for such a competition, who here would be likely to participate?]

King Txec

Amadréu à partiçipar. (I hope that is correctly written!)
TXEC R, by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Pengöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk
    

Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 08, 2024, 10:13:34 AMAmadréu à partiçipar. (I hope that is correctly written!)
Just Amadréu partiçipar is fine.

Usually you'd be right to have the à there, but amar is one of nine verbs after which it is left out.
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TEMPS da JAHNLÄHLE Sürlignha, el miglhor xhurnal

Breneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser.