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Started by Miestră Schivă, UrN, November 30, 2024, 02:54:33 PM

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Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

You have repeatedly complimented the personal appearance of a young person. These compliments were not solicited or reciprocated.

Several people have told you that this flirting is inappropriate and unwelcome, including some of the target's friends.  It is making other people uncomfortable.

Is there something wrong with you that you think this behavior is still okay?

Seriously: Do not double down and make a big deal about how it's somehow really important that you get to say creepy shit to a young person.  He doesn't deserve that, and no one will tolerate it.
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 30, 2024, 10:58:19 PMYou have repeatedly complimented the personal appearance of a young person. These compliments were not solicited or reciprocated.

Several people have told you that this flirting is inappropriate and unwelcome, including some of the target's friends.  It is making other people uncomfortable.

Is there something wrong with you that you think this behavior is still okay?

Seriously: Do not double down and make a big deal about how it's somehow really important that you get to say creepy shit to a young person.  He doesn't deserve that, and no one will tolerate it.

Darling, I complimented you and three other people just now. I said Miestra's reaction was adorable. Again, I don't think my compliments were inappropriate toward Luc or towards any others, Baron.

Mind your language.

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

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No one is mystified about what you're doing.  We are very capable of understanding your thinking: you screwed up and got really creepy, and so you're being creepy to a bunch of other people as quickly as possible.  It's like when a small child gets caught breaking the rule, so they pretend not to understand the rule.

We just don't understand why you'd do this, unless the prospect of just admitting you screwed up is so painful you'd rather shoot yourself in the foot a bunch of times again.

Like, do you think there's a legion of creepy old uncles lurking on Wittenberg who will come flying to your rescue, saying, "No, Breneir is right! I should be able to say whatever I want to my little niece, unless she specifically tells me to stop!  I should be able to smell her, too!  Give me her socks unless she said no, in writing and in triplicate and under sworn oath!"

Also: please don't talk about my appearance or flirt with me.  It's creepy, since we're not friendly.
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 30, 2024, 11:09:35 PMNo one is mystified about what you're doing.  We are very capable of understanding your thinking: you screwed up and got really creepy, and so you're being creepy to a bunch of other people as quickly as possible.  It's like when a small child gets caught breaking the rule, so they pretend not to understand the rule.

Also: please don't talk about my appearance or flirt with me.  It's creepy, since we're not friendly and you're actually even repeating the same things a convicted pedophile said to me.

That's an amazing imagination you got there, Baron. At least this post didn't have curse words in it.

I said Luc was handsome and then agreed with the former RUMP seneschal-turned convicted pedophile that you were too. You brought that into the mix lol. Not flirting just an opinion which clearly you've heard before.


Breneir Tzaracomprada

@Sir Lüc
Now that the sideshow is over concerning compliments please take this opportunity to issue the internal policy. I know your appointment is just hours old but I refer you to King Txec's statement in his address on taking the throne which deserves praise.

Sir Lüc

Quote from: King Txec on November 30, 2024, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on November 30, 2024, 02:54:33 PMIn accordance with El Lexhatx C.3.1, I humbly advise the King to appoint @Sir Lüc as Secretary of State.

It is with great pleasure that I appoint Sir Luc da Schir as the Secretary of State.

Best of luck Sir Luc!

- Txec R

Thank you Regeu Txec!
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Secretary of State / Secretar d'Estat

Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 30, 2024, 09:40:11 PMNot just Luc...the late Sir Ian, Carlus and Marcel have great voices.

Please leave me out of this.
Editing posts is my thing. My bad.
Feel free to PM me if you have a Glheþ translation request!

Glüc da Dhi S.H.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 30, 2024, 09:28:04 PMI do not support legal action, since I dislike the precedent set by someone having their speech suppressed for being gross and unpleasant to a member of an opposing political party.

However, the last person to act in this specific way was Iusti Canun, who would sometimes write me to tell me that he thought I was handsome. It was creepy.  As we all know, that sort of behavior didn't bode well.  I hope Breneir reconsiders this course of action upon reflection.  It's possible to make a comeback after almost anything in Talossa, but no one has ever continued in the country after openly establishing themselves as a sex pest.

Breneir, obviously you'll never just think about your behavior, realize that even "playful" sexual harassment is wrong, and apologize.  So I would encourage you to just do the same thing you did with your grudge against Txec: seize on some plausible shred of principle that's involved, and loudly pretend you were trying to make a point about that principle.  If you do a good job, it might even seem real.  Do not double down and make a big deal about how it's somehow really important that you get to say creepy shit to a young person.  He doesn't deserve that, and no one will tolerate it.

Maybe this is really about freedom of speech, for example?  You just want to be able to speak your mind without Government censorship, perhaps.

Agreed that legal action would be too much, but I do think the comments made violate at least wittiquette #8 and maybe #3 (although harrassment isnt explicitly mentioned), so on that basis a moderator could intervene if it happens again, either by editing the offending bits or giving a warning. Obviously we should be careful not to censor political debate for minor violations, but when comments seem purely intended to be patronising or bordering on harrassment without making any sort of political point moderators may decide to moderate.
Director of Money Laundering and Sportswashing, Banqeu da Cézembre

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Yeah, fair enough. Definitely at a certain point, things would have gone too far and just become plain sexual harassment, which merits action. There's definitely a line that can be crossed, regardless of free speech concerns.

Fortunately, he seems to have taken another route out of this, shifting to less problematic language and choosing other targets.
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Folks, I've not chosen "other targets" and have not chosen another route.