Provincial flag

[þerxh Sant-Enogat]

Dear fellow Cézembreans

I'd like to open a discussion regarding our Provincial flag, following the question raised in this thread about Royal Academy of Vexillology.

As you may know, our flag is similar to the Breton "Gwenn ha Du".

You can read in Wikipedia:
The flag is the official banner of the region of Brittany. It is a symbol of the Breton identity used by Bretons in and outside of Brittany. For years the authorities considered the flag as a separatist symbol, but the attitude has now changed and the flag, no longer having any political connotations, may appear everywhere, even on public buildings, along with the other official flags. It is widely used throughout Brittany and can even be seen on town halls in the region. (...) The flag was created in 1923 by Morvan Marchal. He used the flag of the United States as his inspiration, seen as a symbol of freedom.

This extensive use can be witnessed in any tourist shop, as you can see below in the photos I took last week:


Even if I love Brittany a lot, I am kind of annoyed that we share the same flag.
For our beloved Province, what would you think about some slight changes to our flag?
It can be as simple as using the Bicoloreu Green colour instead of black, for the whole flag or for the stripes only?

Any thoughts on this?

[Barclamïu da Miéletz]

Here's my concept:

[þerxh Sant-Enogat]

Here's my concept:

I like this!

[Glüc]

I would be worried that the many TCAT fans usually showing up to support the Cézembrean teams across France might be unaware of this change and show up using the wrong flag.

[Barclamïu da Miéletz]

Here's my concept:

I like this!

The colours aren't too bright (but still noticeable) which fits the general style of the flag.

[Barclamïu da Miéletz]

I would be worried that the many TCAT fans usually showing up to support the Cézembrean teams across France might be unaware of this change and show up using the wrong flag.

Then I say if a flag change will happen, it should be notified in this board, Talossan press and media outlets as well as in the kingdom.

[þerxh Sant-Enogat]

I would be worried that the many TCAT fans usually showing up to support the Cézembrean teams across France might be unaware of this change and show up using the wrong flag.

Then I say if a flag change will happen, it should be notified in this board, Talossan press and media outlets as well as in the kingdom.

and also to the mug manufacturers !
Glüc has a point here, surely it should be stated in a possible decision that the Black & White flag may still be used to represent our Province in all occasions in absence of the new flag.
Anyway, this may only happen after a referendum, as the description of our flag is a part of our Constutution, Chapter I article 6.

[þerxh Sant-Enogat]

Another option is to design a flag which would allow Cézembréan supporters to simply modify their current flag, by colouring the white interspaces between the black bars, for instance :

[Barclamïu da Miéletz]

Anyway, this may only happen after a referendum, as the description of our flag is a part of our Constutution, Chapter I article 6.

Shouldn't then the constitution be rewritten if we want to change the flag?

[Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be]

Azul Cézembrien (?) friends,

Just wanted to check in with you regarding this discussion. While I may not hail from your fair province, if nothing else I thought I could supply a few ideas for discussion. I had two concepts pop up earlier this morning and thought I would share them with you here:

The first of these incorporates the national colors in a way that -- perhaps somewhat amusingly, perhaps not, depending on your perspective -- moves the flag closer to the roots of the Gwenn ha Du. Personally, I would say that if this design were something you wanted to explore further in order to avoid too radical a departure from your present flag, using a different ermine shape than the one I've got would likely be helpful, because I feel like these don't show up well from a distance.

The second is intended as a sort of representation of the island of Cézembre itself. The Zone Autorisée in the southeast (hence why the green ermines are down there, inverted from the usual order of the Bicoloreu -- "green means go") and the Zone Interdite in the northwest (red, of course, signifying the "off-limits" nature of this Zone). The black bendlets serve as a callback to the current flag, while also abstractly representing the rough internal boundaries of your island. This one is of course a larger shift in identity compared to the present flag, but if you are looking to craft a symbol that is all your own, would not a bigger change be required?

[xpb]

Azul Cézembrien (?) friends,

Just wanted to check in with you regarding this discussion. While I may not hail from your fair province, if nothing else I thought I could supply a few ideas for discussion. I had two concepts pop up earlier this morning and thought I would share them with you here:

The first of these incorporates the national colors in a way that -- perhaps somewhat amusingly, perhaps not, depending on your perspective -- moves the flag closer to the roots of the Gwenn ha Du. Personally, I would say that if this design were something you wanted to explore further in order to avoid too radical a departure from your present flag, using a different ermine shape than the one I've got would likely be helpful, because I feel like these don't show up well from a distance.

The second is intended as a sort of representation of the island of Cézembre itself. The Zone Autorisée in the southeast (hence why the green ermines are down there, inverted from the usual order of the Bicoloreu -- "green means go") and the Zone Interdite in the northwest (red, of course, signifying the "off-limits" nature of this Zone). The black bendlets serve as a callback to the current flag, while also abstractly representing the rough internal boundaries of your island. This one is of course a larger shift in identity compared to the present flag, but if you are looking to craft a symbol that is all your own, would not a bigger change be required?

Thanks for these ideas - perhaps the latter one could find it's way into the upper quadrant somehow.  I'm not clear on any heraldic traditions regarding the density of ermine symbols, but I know as a tincture it is a fur rather than a color or metal, and vair, although made from the fur of red squirrels shows their winter coat as blue gray.  As Cezembre is surrounded by sea, perhaps sea lettuce could be used https://www.brittanytourism.com/plan-my-holiday/latest-news-and-events/green-algae/ or the scales of a local fish that are green.  Ermine change color from reddish-brown in the summer to white in the winter. The only part of their body that remains black year-round is the tip of their tail, but that appears to be the only part represented as a symbol, relying on winter white fur for the field.

[Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be]

Thanks for these ideas - perhaps the latter one could find it's way into the upper quadrant somehow.  I'm not clear on any heraldic traditions regarding the density of ermine symbols, but I know as a tincture it is a fur rather than a color or metal, and vair, although made from the fur of red squirrels shows their winter coat as blue gray.  As Cezembre is surrounded by sea, perhaps sea lettuce could be used https://www.brittanytourism.com/plan-my-holiday/latest-news-and-events/green-algae/ or the scales of a local fish that are green.  Ermine change color from reddish-brown in the summer to white in the winter. The only part of their body that remains black year-round is the tip of their tail, but that appears to be the only part represented as a symbol, relying on winter white fur for the field.

Ermine spots can be used individually as charges, though I also like the fish scale idea. Let me know if the RAV can be of any assistance.