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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2020, 11:35:48 PM »
Keep going, AD. Just one more post, and you'll convince someone that you didn't pull out of the project in a huff when we didn't let you take over.

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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2020, 07:13:06 AM »
Just leave me alone -- and don't use my writing, please.

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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2020, 12:29:12 AM »
So if no-one has any objections, the Government is seriously considering making the current version of the project Required Reading for all new citizens. Thoughts?

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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2020, 04:00:33 AM »
First of all, forgive me if I'm sticking my nose someplace I don't belong, given that I'm not associated with the project, nor a member of the College at all for that matter. I've got a few thoughts as one of those new citizens.

I read through it once, and I likely will have to again so I don't miss anything. It was quite eye-opening with regards to what I've missed during my time away, and it sheds a lot of light on why things are the way they are, post-Reunison.

My only concerns are that it may be information overload for those uninitiated, and I'd be cautious of scaring people away with some of the more, shall we say, unpleasant parts.

Like I said, I'm not entirely unfamiliar with Talossan history and politics, and there's still a lot that's incredibly confusing. Also, while I know that a lot of stuff happened back then, a lot of it bad, I also understand that behavior like that isn't acceptable anymore and never was in the first place. The person who discovers the Kingdom via Wikipedia might not.

I'm not going to say I don't recommend people read it. It might be worth adding a summary and a disclaimer, or something similar though.

Just my two bence.
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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2020, 04:35:21 AM »
Well, that is an eye-opening reaction, considering I personally thought it was too short and leaves too much out!  ;D Can I ask you what parts you found confusing? Because those parts should be expanded/explained, which would of course make it longer.

This is the summary version, but I don't think at this stage we should do as they used to in King Robert I's day and make all newbies pass a multiple-choice open book test on Talossan history...
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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2020, 05:03:55 AM »
RESEARCH REQUEST: can someone please go through the Digest of Laws for 1998-9 and find out which one was King Robert's failed bill to make it illegal for any Talossan to speak to any Penguinean?

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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2020, 07:22:35 AM »
https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:The_Diplomacy_With_Penguinea_Act is the closest thing I could find by way of a Wiki search for 'Penguinea'. 

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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2020, 10:09:25 AM »
So if no-one has any objections, the Government is seriously considering making the current version of the project Required Reading for all new citizens. Thoughts?
I feel the current version is still pretty one-sided, especially post-2005

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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2020, 01:50:57 PM »
I feel the current version is still pretty one-sided, especially post-2005

Then amend it. You're a member of the project (as is Sir Cresti).

I feel that once again this is a situation where we have to press on to concentrate minds. Only GV and I have been contributing so far. Of course it's got a pro-Republican tinge.

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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2020, 02:59:18 PM »
Alright, having re-read it, it makes significantly more sense the second time around. I think a lot of the confusion on my part is down to the fact that there at least looks to be a lot of nuance, and the re-read helped cement some of the smaller details, specifically names and the like. Also, it's not nearly as long as I thought, it looked a lot longer on my phone.

Now off to read A Nation Sundered...
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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2020, 06:13:09 PM »
It's a great read. GV's account is rollicking.

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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2020, 11:57:39 PM »
RESEARCH REQUEST: can someone please go through the Digest of Laws for 1998-9 and find out which one was King Robert's failed bill to make it illegal for any Talossan to speak to any Penguinean?

Another request for research: can anyone stomach reading OldWitt in 2004-2005 to see whether there's a public mention of KR1's plan to just start a new Talossan language, from scratch, that the Republic wouldn't be able to use like we used el glhetg? I know it happened, but it would be best if he'd mentioned it in public. Half the stuff Ben did you wouldn't believe until you saw the evidence. That's how narcissists work.

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Re: New Talossan History Project
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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2020, 02:46:03 PM »
Speaking of pro-Republican tinge, I take issue with two sentences (probably the only two sentences of the whole thing I am in a position to have an opinion on at all, but no matter):

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Some might even argue that "if the Kingdom won the Talossan Cold War, the Republic won the subsequent peace". This interpretation is given weight by several other democratic reforms which Reviensadeirs have successfully pushed for in the Kingdom, such as secret-ballot voting in elections.

Personal loyalties aside, I think this clearly overlooks the role of the MRPT, the entire point of which was to push for those same reforms, and which led five governments in the process.

I haven't made any changes yet because I don't want accusations that I inserted any pro-Moderate Monarchy bias, but this should be addressed.

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Re: New Talossan History Project
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2020, 03:20:26 PM »
Good point. That line was me flexing a bit, and is undignified, and is now gone.

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