Citizenship Petition for Julian Da Silva

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

WHEREAS it has been more than a fortnight since @Julian Da Silva first posted on Wittenberg, following his introduction to the citizens of the Kingdom by officers of the Immigration Ministry, and

WHEREAS he has, in that time, demonstrated an active, genuine, and continuing interest in Talossan life, language and culture, and

WHEREAS he desires citizenship in the Kingdom of Talossa, and

WHEREAS by all indications it appears that he would be a loyal and dedicated citizen, and a credit to this nation if he obtains the grant of citizenship he requests,

THEREFORE I, Breneir Tzaracomprada, a citizen of good standing of the best province of Florencia and of the Kingdom of Talossa, do hereby petition the Secretary of State @Sir Lüc to issue a grant of citizenship to Prospective Citizen Julian Da Silva, as specified by law.

[Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be]

Mick!

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

What happened with this petition?
@Sir Lüc
@Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

[Sir Lüc]

Not sure what you're referring to. As with any other petition, it needs two Micks and MinImm certification before I can act on it.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Not sure what you're referring to. As with any other petition, it needs two Micks and MinImm certification before I can act on it.

I wasn't aware of it needing two micks (thought it was one) but thank you for confirming that the certification has not happened. That's why I tagged the Minister of Immigration. It's been a few days so I was surprised the latter had not happened.

[King Txec]

This immigrant made two posts total. One was in reply to asking if they were still interested, so essentially only one post was made of their own initiative. Do we seriously believe, as stated in the petition, that this immigrant has "demonstrated an active, genuine, and continuing interest in Talossan life, language and culture?" I think not.

-Txec R

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

@Julian Da Silva you mentioned that you are still interested in becoming a Talossan after asked by the Immigration Minister. The King of Talossa appears skeptical. Are you still interested in becoming a Talossan?

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Not sure what you're referring to. As with any other petition, it needs two Micks and MinImm certification before I can act on it.

One Mick (E.7). And the new law removed the need for certification.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

One Mick (E.7). And the new law removed the need for certification.

Thanks for clarifying Miestra.

[Sir Lüc]

The petition was posted when the old law was still in effect, though.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

The petition was posted when the old law was still in effect, though.

Can I have a call from @the Attorney General whether I have to abide by a now-repealed law because the process began under the old law? I never used that power before it was repealed, but I'm tempted to use it now just so we can establish this legal principle. Of course, I'll change my mind and grant certification if the prospective asks me to.

I'd also like input from His Maj @King Txec about whether he thinks there should be more "objective standards" for new prospectives apart from "they posted once and two citizens want them in". Because I have been subject to a furious torrent of invective by the opposition for thinking that any quality control on immigration is appropriate.

[King Txec]

I've always felt one or two posts does not show genuine interest in Talossa and we should not be petitioning for immigrants who do this. Stating they show a real and active interest in Talossa in a petition to the Chancery is not genuine and makes me wonder why we would want to inflate our citizenship rolls with someone who will likely not participate and will eventually just strike out. Is it for new voters or is it genuine? I wonder.

-Txec R

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Azul Julian, are you still interested in becoming a Talossan?

Azul, yes, i'm still interested to become a Talossan.

Sorry guys, no conspiracy to gather new voters intended. I acted after the potential new citizen himself responded to a query by the Minister of Immigration.

I did tag Julian in an earlier post as encouragement to reaffirm his interest. Look forward to hearing what the A-X says on the certification.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

I've always felt one or two posts does not show genuine interest in Talossa and we should not be petitioning for immigrants who do this. Stating they show a real and active interest in Talossa in a petition to the Chancery is not genuine and makes me wonder why we would want to inflate our citizenship rolls with someone who will likely not participate and will eventually just strike out. Is it for new voters or is it genuine? I wonder.

-Txec R

I would also be interested in your answer to Miestra's query concerning more "objective standards." This might be something to be discussed in the Royal Commission?

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

Back when I immigrated, the minimum post threshold for active interest hovered somewhere around 7 posts, i.e. one post every other day for 2 weeks. It's interesting, if nothing else, to see how conceptual standards have changed in the last 10 years.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

minimum post threshold for active interest hovered somewhere around 7 posts,

Excellent, thanks Marcel, we now have hard data rather than wonderings.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Back when I immigrated, the minimum post threshold for active interest hovered somewhere around 7 posts, i.e. one post every other day for 2 weeks. It's interesting, if nothing else, to see how conceptual standards have changed in the last 10 years.

I may not have been paying attention, but way-back-when I don't think anyone was actually *rejected* from citizenship for not being active enough, that everyone who said "yeah I'm still keen" was let in. If that's true, it would be less a quality control issue than a "Talossan life is no longer engaging enough for prospectives". What do you think?

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

I may not have been paying attention, but way-back-when I don't think anyone was actually *rejected* from citizenship for not being active enough, that everyone who said "yeah I'm still keen" was let in. If that's true, it would be less a quality control issue than a "Talossan life is no longer engaging enough for prospectives". What do you think?

Right, I was more so saying that there was some grumbling when someone with 7 posts in two weeks were let in, but no outward rejection. I don't remember anyone ever testing the lower limit any further because usually, people who didnt post enough would just not get petitioned for, and that would be the end of it.

Lack of engagement would make sense as an explanation, though from my perspective that's not really anything new.

[King Txec]

Right, I was more so saying that there was some grumbling when someone with 7 posts in two weeks were let in, but no outward rejection. I don't remember anyone ever testing the lower limit any further because usually, people who didnt post enough would just not get petitioned for, and that would be the end of it.

Lack of engagement would make sense as an explanation, though from my perspective that's not really anything new.

That is more or less my point. Lack of engagement should be enough to not get a petition. Merely having a pulse shouldn't be enough.

-Txec R

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

The King's objection to recruiting people who don't show real interest in Talossa simply as voting fodder is a real one which I share. But assuming that people will do that because it's in their party's best interests, what are you going to do to stop them? If these people are clearly devoid of shame, asking them nicely will only make them do the thing harder. You could bring in a higher bar of activity by legislation, and that will just drive the *other* opposition party absolutely bonkers.

The Government feels in a no-win situation here, and we would rather not allow the opposition parties to beat us up for anything that could be said to halt immigration. The stakes are lower for state officials who don't have an election coming up lol. Best for us to try to improve the cultural factors to encourage prospectives to take more interest (like, for example, stronger social sanctions on creepy sex pests).