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Citizenship Petition for Julian Da Silva

Started by Breneir Tzaracomprada, August 17, 2025, 08:22:35 PM

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 24, 2025, 06:46:24 PMminimum post threshold for active interest hovered somewhere around 7 posts,

Excellent, thanks Marcel, we now have hard data rather than wonderings.

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Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 24, 2025, 06:46:24 PMBack when I immigrated, the minimum post threshold for active interest hovered somewhere around 7 posts, i.e. one post every other day for 2 weeks. It's interesting, if nothing else, to see how conceptual standards have changed in the last 10 years.

I may not have been paying attention, but way-back-when I don't think anyone was actually *rejected* from citizenship for not being active enough, that everyone who said "yeah I'm still keen" was let in. If that's true, it would be less a quality control issue than a "Talossan life is no longer engaging enough for prospectives". What do you think?

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Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 24, 2025, 06:53:05 PMI may not have been paying attention, but way-back-when I don't think anyone was actually *rejected* from citizenship for not being active enough, that everyone who said "yeah I'm still keen" was let in. If that's true, it would be less a quality control issue than a "Talossan life is no longer engaging enough for prospectives". What do you think?

Right, I was more so saying that there was some grumbling when someone with 7 posts in two weeks were let in, but no outward rejection. I don't remember anyone ever testing the lower limit any further because usually, people who didnt post enough would just not get petitioned for, and that would be the end of it.

Lack of engagement would make sense as an explanation, though from my perspective that's not really anything new.
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Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 24, 2025, 06:57:15 PMRight, I was more so saying that there was some grumbling when someone with 7 posts in two weeks were let in, but no outward rejection. I don't remember anyone ever testing the lower limit any further because usually, people who didnt post enough would just not get petitioned for, and that would be the end of it.

Lack of engagement would make sense as an explanation, though from my perspective that's not really anything new.

That is more or less my point. Lack of engagement should be enough to not get a petition. Merely having a pulse shouldn't be enough.

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Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

The King's objection to recruiting people who don't show real interest in Talossa simply as voting fodder is a real one which I share. But assuming that people will do that because it's in their party's best interests, what are you going to do to stop them? If these people are clearly devoid of shame, asking them nicely will only make them do the thing harder. You could bring in a higher bar of activity by legislation, and that will just drive the *other* opposition party absolutely bonkers.

The Government feels in a no-win situation here, and we would rather not allow the opposition parties to beat us up for anything that could be said to halt immigration. The stakes are lower for state officials who don't have an election coming up lol. Best for us to try to improve the cultural factors to encourage prospectives to take more interest (like, for example, stronger social sanctions on creepy sex pests).

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 24, 2025, 07:09:51 PMThe King's objection to recruiting people who don't show real interest in Talossa simply as voting fodder is a real one which I share. But assuming that people will do that because it's in their party's best interests, what are you going to do to stop them? If these people are clearly devoid of shame, asking them nicely will only make them do the thing harder. You could bring in a higher bar of activity by legislation, and that will just drive the *other* opposition party absolutely bonkers.

The Government feels in a no-win situation here, and we would rather not allow the opposition parties to beat us up for anything that could be said to halt immigration. The stakes are lower for state officials who don't have an election coming up lol. Best for us to try to improve the cultural factors to encourage prospectives to take more interest (like, for example, stronger social sanctions on creepy sex pests).

When we find the sex pest please let me know, is it Carlus (the FreeDem) or Iusti (the RUMPER) you are referring to?...I would also support stronger social sanctions against those who engage in rough music.

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 24, 2025, 07:28:24 PMIn case our new friend @Julian Da Silva is wondering who is the creepy sex pest here, it was Brenéir Tzaracomprada, and an unopposed vote of the Ziu condemned him as such.

Julian, I complimented the Secretary of State which has somehow become an allegation that he was sexually harassed. It has been an embarassing political project conducted by usually intelligent and reasonable people. But their grudges have gotten the best of them which happens to the best of us.

Btw, if you need examples of a real sex pest, you can review a news articles of a former ally of Miestra's, Carlus Xheralterescu here: https://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/courts/former-aberystwyth-mayor-avoids-jail-for-sex-acts-with-student-609195 He was also involved in the Republic with Miestra before her arrival here. Miestra knows better because she has paled around with one.

And if you want to see examples of our Seneschal providing rough music and revelling in causing mental harm then here you go. The bill includes quotes that don't need context: https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:61RZ17_Sense_of_the_Ziu:_Moving_Forward_Without_Rough_Music

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Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

What's funny here is that, when I mentioned creepy sex pests, a hit dog hollered.

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Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 24, 2025, 07:36:17 PMWhat's funny here is that, when I mentioned creepy sex pests, a hit dog hollered.

What's funny is that you have repeatedly referred to me by that term and several others all while claiming you are fighting for a non-toxic environment. In the meantime, I will keep reminding people that you know what a real sex pest is because you were closely aligned with one. And that you engaged in the harassment you continue to accuse others of.

Big Bopper, at your service.
"Clearly we're not ostracizing this guy hard enough." -Miestra Schiva
"I refuse to work with you on this or any matter in Talossa." -Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir

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Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 24, 2025, 05:57:28 PMCan I have a call from @the Attorney General whether I have to abide by a now-repealed law because the process began under the old law? I never used that power before it was repealed, but I'm tempted to use it now just so we can establish this legal principle. Of course, I'll change my mind and grant certification if the prospective asks me to.

I'd also like input from His Maj @King Txec about whether he thinks there should be more "objective standards" for new prospectives apart from "they posted once and two citizens want them in". Because I have been subject to a furious torrent of invective by the opposition for thinking that any quality control on immigration is appropriate.

Unfortunately the timing of the original petition being submitted prior to a change in law means it will need to be reviewed under existing law at the time of the petition.

Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC

Fine. @Julian Da Silva if you're reading this, let me know if you still want to be a Talossan, and I'll approve it.

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