what makes you want to become the Talossan citizens?

[Carteir Montagnhă]

for me, i have three main reasons:

1- Talossa rich history and culture especially the Talossan language which make me as a kinda language nerd fascinated.

2- stability. Talossa have been in existence since 1979 but it's so rare for Talossa to go through any serious internal or external conflicts which make me as a person who hate war/conflict, really wanna participate in the Talossan life and help develop its even more further.

3- opportunity. one of the main reasons i decided to join the micronational world is because i wanna gain experience as a leader, even if it on a small scale and this lead me to Talossa, a nation full of opportunities and lessons waiting for me to take part.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

for me, i have three main reasons:

1- Talossa rich history and culture especially the Talossan language which make me as a kinda language nerd fascinated.

2- stability. Talossa have been in existence since 1979 but it's so rare for Talossa to go through any serious internal or external conflicts which make me as a person who hate war/conflict, really wanna participate in the Talossan life and help develop its even more further.

3- opportunity. one of the main reasons i decided to join the micronational world is because i wanna gain experience as a leader, even if it on a small scale and this lead me to Talossa, a nation full of opportunities and lessons waiting for me to take part.

In my case - and bear in mind this was back in 1997:

1) the language.
2) the real, functioning, multi-party democratic system.

I note what you're saying about leadership, and that ties into 2) of what I was saying. In your average micronation (active population: 5, and/or a more-or-less absolute monarchy) there is no real politics and thus no real chance to learn and develop leadership skills. In Talossan politics, you actually have to build coalitions and persuade people.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

The political aspect of Talossa is overemphasized in my opinion, Carter, and it has led to a Talossa where the potential is there for the politicization of everything. This leads to Talossa reflecting the issues (hyperpoliticization, etc.) within the larger world rather than being a place of respite from those issues. I say this as someone who was brought to the Kingdom by its political structure in 2007.

Part of the crisis in retaining active citizens is the constant churn of Talossa's rapid political cycle (and the behavior it incentivizes) and as an individual and as a party leader it is something I believe needs to change. What brought me here is not what has kept me here, in short. As I've had to take breaks due to that fast cycle and now take some pride in things like the BHAID, the Talossan Book of Cuisine, the El Pretz poetry contest, and the TV network, Fora Talossa.

I am currently working with another Talossan to develop a second subculture inspired by the Cjovani. Projects like that and I'd say our media and public service organizations keep me here.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Well, if you don't like Talossan politics, no-one is *compelled* to participate. Those who do are, I suppose, motivated by something.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Well, if you don't like Talossan politics, no-one is *compelled* to participate. Those who do are, I suppose, motivated by something.

It is not that I don't like Talossan politics, Miestra, clearly I've been involved since the Talossan Renaissance (the proto-Progressive party) in 2007-2008. I don't like the all-encompassing pace and think it crowds out other possibilities. The current scheme is fine for political junkies but I hope Talossa would be more than a place for political junkies.

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP]

I hope Talossa would be more than a place for political junkies.

It's already also a place for linguistics junkies! (Depends heavily on whether other linguistics junkies are currently active)

[Carteir Montagnhă]

The political aspect of Talossa is overemphasized in my opinion, Carter, and it has led to a Talossa where the potential is there for the politicization of everything. This leads to Talossa reflecting the issues (hyperpoliticization, etc.) within the larger world rather than being a place of respite from those issues. I say this as someone who was brought to the Kingdom by its political structure in 2007.

Part of the crisis in retaining active citizens is the constant churn of Talossa's rapid political cycle (and the behavior it incentivizes) and as an individual and as a party leader it is something I believe needs to change. What brought me here is not what has kept me here, in short. As I've had to take breaks due to that fast cycle and now take some pride in things like the BHAID, the Talossan Book of Cuisine, the El Pretz poetry contest, and the TV network, Fora Talossa.

I am currently working with another Talossan to develop a second subculture inspired by the Cjovani. Projects like that and I'd say our media and public service organizations keep me here.

thank you for sharing that perspective! i think what you said about the political aspect being overemphasized really connects with me. one of the reasons i want to join Talossa is actually for its stability. the fact that Talossa has been around since 1979 and avoided the kind of conflicts that many other micronations go through shows that, despite the political churn, there's a strong foundation that keeps the community going.

like you, i'm also drawn to the parts of Talossa that go beyond politics, its rich culture, the language, and the unique traditions. as someone fascinated by languages, the Talossan language itself is a big part of what excites me. and when i look at projects like the ones you mentioned, the Talossan Book of Cuisine, poetry contests, and media, it makes me want to contribute in my own way too.

finally, i also see Talossa as a place of opportunity, where i can gain leadership experience while helping build on the culture and stability that make it special. so while politics may be one entry point, i think what will keep me here is exactly the kind of cultural and community projects you talked about.

[Carteir Montagnhă]

In my case - and bear in mind this was back in 1997:

1) the language.
2) the real, functioning, multi-party democratic system.

I note what you're saying about leadership, and that ties into 2) of what I was saying. In your average micronation (active population: 5, and/or a more-or-less absolute monarchy) there is no real politics and thus no real chance to learn and develop leadership skills. In Talossan politics, you actually have to build coalitions and persuade people.

from what you are saying about my micronation is quite true that we only have a few active citizens but Norea is a newly established micronations so we still have a long journey to go.

i can't give out my opinion on Talossan politics much beyond from what i've done research on yet, but once i become a citizen, i hope i can seek help from you about Talossan politics. thank you and excuse me for my bad english, which might seems as rude, i have no intention at all but my ability still have limits. :)

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

thank you for sharing that perspective! i think what you said about the political aspect being overemphasized really connects with me. one of the reasons i want to join Talossa is actually for its stability. the fact that Talossa has been around since 1979 and avoided the kind of conflicts that many other micronations go through shows that, despite the political churn, there's a strong foundation that keeps the community going.

like you, i'm also drawn to the parts of Talossa that go beyond politics, its rich culture, the language, and the unique traditions. as someone fascinated by languages, the Talossan language itself is a big part of what excites me. and when i look at projects like the ones you mentioned, the Talossan Book of Cuisine, poetry contests, and media, it makes me want to contribute in my own way too.

finally, i also see Talossa as a place of opportunity, where i can gain leadership experience while helping build on the culture and stability that make it special. so while politics may be one entry point, i think what will keep me here is exactly the kind of cultural and community projects you talked about.

Well stated Carter. Once you become a citizen I am excited to learn more about Norea.

[King Txec]

The political aspect of Talossa is overemphasized in my opinion, Carter, and it has led to a Talossa where the potential is there for the politicization of everything. This leads to Talossa reflecting the issues (hyperpoliticization, etc.) within the larger world rather than being a place of respite from those issues. I say this as someone who was brought to the Kingdom by its political structure in 2007.

Part of the crisis in retaining active citizens is the constant churn of Talossa's rapid political cycle (and the behavior it incentivizes) and as an individual and as a party leader it is something I believe needs to change. What brought me here is not what has kept me here, in short. As I've had to take breaks due to that fast cycle and now take some pride in things like the BHAID, the Talossan Book of Cuisine, the El Pretz poetry contest, and the TV network, Fora Talossa.

I am currently working with another Talossan to develop a second subculture inspired by the Cjovani. Projects like that and I'd say our media and public service organizations keep me here.

As a general observation, quite a lot of the politics in Talossa come from you S:Reu Tzaracomprada.

-Txec R

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

As a general observation, quite a lot of the politics in Talossa come from you S:Reu Tzaracomprada.

-Txec R

If that is the case then I hope to contribute to a slower, more deliberative pace with much more participation by the Civil Service. I would also say the pace of our politics is structural not related to the partisan concerns around my words.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

As a general observation, quite a lot of the politics in Talossa come from you S:Reu Tzaracomprada.

I can't be bothered counting, but I think at least half the bills before our legislature this term are either by him or about him!

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

I can't be bothered counting, but I think at least half the bills before our legislature this term are either by him or about him!

Hey, give yourself some credit, Miestra. I also tabled a bill about your rough music campaign with the Baron. With quotations no less.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

If that is the case then I hope to contribute to a slower, more deliberative pace with much more participation by the Civil Service. I would also say the pace of our politics is structural not related to the partisan concerns around my words.

But I do repeat myself here. My concern is with the rapid pace of Talossan politics and the fevered campaigns which short-circuit cooperation on real issues and raise the temperature of debate. We just had a thread on Immigration where the King had to plead for a twelve hour posting break. And none of that involved me making compliments.

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

none of that involved me making compliments.

Your attitude about your behavior seems to be that you really did nothing wrong, since you still refer to your behavior as "making compliments" and since your apology sounded like Brent from The Good Place.

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

for me, i have three main reasons:

1- Talossa rich history and culture especially the Talossan language which make me as a kinda language nerd fascinated.

2- stability. Talossa have been in existence since 1979 but it's so rare for Talossa to go through any serious internal or external conflicts which make me as a person who hate war/conflict, really wanna participate in the Talossan life and help develop its even more further.

3- opportunity. one of the main reasons i decided to join the micronational world is because i wanna gain experience as a leader, even if it on a small scale and this lead me to Talossa, a nation full of opportunities and lessons waiting for me to take part.

I agree a lot with all three of these points, honestly, and they're just about identical to why I wanted to join.  Talossa's long, weird history lends it a sense of legitimacy.  The things you do will really matter to other people over the long term, if you make your mark.  It's why it's more meaningful to make a small shift in Talossan law rather than just write your own legal code for fun: you're making an impact.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Your attitude about your behavior seems to be that you really did nothing wrong, since you still refer to your behavior as "making compliments" and since your apology sounded like Brent from The Good Place.

No that's not true, Baron. I apologized for making Luc uncomfortable with my compliments. By apologizing I clearly showed that I believed that to be wrong as one does not apologize for something they believe not to be wrong. On the other hand I also brought forward an incident with you and Miestra where there has never been a public apology. And where there was a clear expression of intent. I never intended to harm Luc but that happened and then I apologized, publicly.

[Carteir Montagnhă]

I agree a lot with all three of these points, honestly, and they're just about identical to why I wanted to join.  Talossa's long, weird history lends it a sense of legitimacy.  The things you do will really matter to other people over the long term, if you make your mark.  It's why it's more meaningful to make a small shift in Talossan law rather than just write your own legal code for fun: you're making an impact.

Talossa long history is the most impactful thing alongside with Talossan language and heraldry tradition as well as culture, which just like you said, it's lend Talossa a sense of legitimacy.
 
i wish to contribute to the Talossan community as much as i can even if it on a small scale because just like you said once again, a small shift of help can be more meaningful than a quantity over quality type of things.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Your attitude about your behavior seems to be that you really did nothing wrong, since you still refer to your behavior as "making compliments" and since your apology sounded like Brent from The Good Place.

Big question is: we want to warn prospectives about the "missing stair", but how can we do this without scaring newcomers away? (Like, should we even be talking about this in this thread?)

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Big question is: we want to warn prospectives about the "missing stair", but how can we do this without scaring newcomers away? (Like, should we even be talking about this in this thread?)

I think it's too late, after a months-long campaign and promises for more to come, to worry about scaring people away, Miestra.