what makes you want to become the Talossan citizens?

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

for me, i have three main reasons:

1- Talossa rich history and culture especially the Talossan language which make me as a kinda language nerd fascinated.

2- stability. Talossa have been in existence since 1979 but it's so rare for Talossa to go through any serious internal or external conflicts which make me as a person who hate war/conflict, really wanna participate in the Talossan life and help develop its even more further.

3- opportunity. one of the main reasons i decided to join the micronational world is because i wanna gain experience as a leader, even if it on a small scale and this lead me to Talossa, a nation full of opportunities and lessons waiting for me to take part.

I agree a lot with all three of these points, honestly, and they're just about identical to why I wanted to join.  Talossa's long, weird history lends it a sense of legitimacy.  The things you do will really matter to other people over the long term, if you make your mark.  It's why it's more meaningful to make a small shift in Talossan law rather than just write your own legal code for fun: you're making an impact.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Your attitude about your behavior seems to be that you really did nothing wrong, since you still refer to your behavior as "making compliments" and since your apology sounded like Brent from The Good Place.

No that's not true, Baron. I apologized for making Luc uncomfortable with my compliments. By apologizing I clearly showed that I believed that to be wrong as one does not apologize for something they believe not to be wrong. On the other hand I also brought forward an incident with you and Miestra where there has never been a public apology. And where there was a clear expression of intent. I never intended to harm Luc but that happened and then I apologized, publicly.

[Carter Montana]

I agree a lot with all three of these points, honestly, and they're just about identical to why I wanted to join.  Talossa's long, weird history lends it a sense of legitimacy.  The things you do will really matter to other people over the long term, if you make your mark.  It's why it's more meaningful to make a small shift in Talossan law rather than just write your own legal code for fun: you're making an impact.

Talossa long history is the most impactful thing alongside with Talossan language and heraldry tradition as well as culture, which just like you said, it's lend Talossa a sense of legitimacy.
 
i wish to contribute to the Talossan community as much as i can even if it on a small scale because just like you said once again, a small shift of help can be more meaningful than a quantity over quality type of things.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Your attitude about your behavior seems to be that you really did nothing wrong, since you still refer to your behavior as "making compliments" and since your apology sounded like Brent from The Good Place.

Big question is: we want to warn prospectives about the "missing stair", but how can we do this without scaring newcomers away? (Like, should we even be talking about this in this thread?)

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

Big question is: we want to warn prospectives about the "missing stair", but how can we do this without scaring newcomers away? (Like, should we even be talking about this in this thread?)

I think it's too late, after a months-long campaign and promises for more to come, to worry about scaring people away, Miestra.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

@Carter Montana In one of my responses I mentioned being involved in something called the Talossan Book of Cuisine. We collect favorite recipes from Talossans. I know you are not yet Talossan but by the time the next issue comes out you hopefully will be.

Do you have a favorite recipe that you'd be willing to share for publication?

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

Big question is: we want to warn prospectives about the "missing stair", but how can we do this without scaring newcomers away? (Like, should we even be talking about this in this thread?)

I think you make a fair point -- I don't know, I guess maybe someone's going to have the talk with folks after they immigrate.  Thanks for the reminder about being circumspect.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

I think you make a fair point -- I don't know, I guess maybe someone's going to have the talk with folks after they immigrate.

Now that I know this is happening for sure. I will be sure to share information as well.

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

Now that I know this is happening for sure. I will be sure to share information as well.

What are you talking about? Almost the whole country has been warning people about you for months. The legislature even passed a bill about it.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

What are you talking about? Almost the whole country has been warning people about you for months. The legislature even passed a bill about it.

The whole country is not Wittenberg, Baron. Your tendency towards exaggeration and sensationalization continues. A whisper campaign towards new people coming into this country is a very different thing and it is unacceptably toxic and destructive.

[Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be]

for me, i have three main reasons:

1- Talossa rich history and culture especially the Talossan language which make me as a kinda language nerd fascinated.

2- stability. Talossa have been in existence since 1979 but it's so rare for Talossa to go through any serious internal or external conflicts which make me as a person who hate war/conflict, really wanna participate in the Talossan life and help develop its even more further.

3- opportunity. one of the main reasons i decided to join the micronational world is because i wanna gain experience as a leader, even if it on a small scale and this lead me to Talossa, a nation full of opportunities and lessons waiting for me to take part.

I would say my reasons pretty much sum up as:

- Taking part in a (mostly-)functioning democracy and actually seeing results is appealing.
- Constructed languages have always been something I am interested in (even though my Talossan is rudimentary for now)
- The "trappings of statehood" (flags, heraldry, etc.) have always interested me.

Of course, most micronations, even tiny ones, can offer these. So why Talossa specifically? Simply put, its size and longevity. When I immigrated a few years ago, Talossa had already been doing its thing for over 40 years. Now it's over 45! That lends a good, organic character to the whole thing that you don't get in many other micronations.

There is a Talossan citizen who was once very prominent in both the Kingdom and the Republic who summed it up like this: "The great thing about Talossa...is that all these people are doing stuff that would otherwise be very solitary, but they're together. Like, I design and play my own games, I write and play music, I'm interested in writing sketch comedy and parody, and for years I've designed my own religions. So I'm sitting here doing all this stuff, but it's all solitary - I'm alone. And I think everyone in Talossa feels that way. We all have our selfish indulgences we do by ourselves. But Talossa is a place where we can do them together, rather than as isolated geeks all over the country, which is essentially what we are."

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

I think you make a fair point -- I don't know, I guess maybe someone's going to have the talk with folks after they immigrate.  Thanks for the reminder about being circumspect.

After immigration might be too late, if the prospective has already been persuaded that the missing stair is a good guy and will simply not believe/be interested in new information (read: Bråneu's comments during his renunciation); but whether the warning comes before/after immigration, a warning which can be mistaken for a personal grudge or political skullduggery will be ignored anyway; which would indicate that a non-political source would be preferred, but since the victim in this case is the SoS, then we're back to square one.

It's a knotty problem which is perhaps best discussed in another thread.

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

After immigration might be too late, if the prospective has already been persuaded that the missing stair is a good guy and will simply not believe/be interested in new information (read: Bråneu's comments during his renunciation); but whether the warning comes before/after immigration, a warning which can be mistaken for a personal grudge or political skullduggery will be ignored anyway; which would indicate that a non-political source would be preferred, but since the victim in this case is the SoS, then we're back to square one.

It's a knotty problem which is perhaps best discussed in another thread.

The problem here is that you yourself are guilty of the things you accused me of Miestra. What if the missing stair is the one proclaiming others as a missing stair? I promise to share information on what you did, with evident pride, to the Baron as well.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

I think you make a fair point -- I don't know, I guess maybe someone's going to have the talk with folks after they immigrate.  Thanks for the reminder about being circumspect.

Sorry, forgot to add: the point that "Wittenberg is not the whole country" is a very good one, and the Ziu is not the whole country for that matter; so sanctions which are restricted entirely to those fora aren't even going to reach less active citizens, let alone prospectives.

It's unseemly for newcomers to see citizens pointing at each other and saying "watch out for that character", but it's possibly a better alternative than waiting until someone's in the door to whisper to them, after the miscreant's been "love-bombing" them during the examination period.

[Carter Montana]

I would say my reasons pretty much sum up as:

- Taking part in a (mostly-)functioning democracy and actually seeing results is appealing.
- Constructed languages have always been something I am interested in (even though my Talossan is rudimentary for now)
- The "trappings of statehood" (flags, heraldry, etc.) have always interested me.

Of course, most micronations, even tiny ones, can offer these. So why Talossa specifically? Simply put, its size and longevity. When I immigrated a few years ago, Talossa had already been doing its thing for over 40 years. Now it's over 45! That lends a good, organic character to the whole thing that you don't get in many other micronations.

There is a Talossan citizen who was once very prominent in both the Kingdom and the Republic who summed it up like this: "The great thing about Talossa...is that all these people are doing stuff that would otherwise be very solitary, but they're together. Like, I design and play my own games, I write and play music, I'm interested in writing sketch comedy and parody, and for years I've designed my own religions. So I'm sitting here doing all this stuff, but it's all solitary - I'm alone. And I think everyone in Talossa feels that way. We all have our selfish indulgences we do by ourselves. But Talossa is a place where we can do them together, rather than as isolated geeks all over the country, which is essentially what we are."

i agree with everything you've said here. it just made me realize that sometimes i'm kinda lonely but if i have something to do especially with people who are committed to do it with us or just willing to help us abit throughout the whole thing or maybe just being there is already a way to bring happiness and isolated loneliness from us.